Post subject: Venusian Arts vs Asian Playboy / ABCs of Attraction review
Posted: 07 Apr 2010, 17:09
Joined: 07 Feb 2010, 15:39 Posts: 158
Bootcamp Graduate: YES (BC: Los Angeles 1on1, March 2010)
Alright so I was one of the fortunate ones to do a 1 on 1 with JT the Asian Playboy.
A background about me: I have already taken another Venusian Arts bootcamp with Mystery prior to ABCs of Attraction. I did learn the "Theory" aspects but not the in field part. There were many things I was doing wrong in field. The In-Field portion is the MOST IMPORTANT thing you will gain from.
So after a year of my first bootcamp with the VA company. I thought I probably need to do a 1 on 1 or something because most bootcamps just teach the basics. I am more on the intermediate level.
I had to think which bootcamp should I take to find out whats wrong with my game: there are so many PUA Training with AFC Adam, RSD, Love Systems, ABCs of Attraction etc.
I decided on ABCs of Attraction because I thought since I'm Asian maybe JT can tailor game towards being Asian. I picked ABCs of Attraction since JT being Asian he definitely has a lot more experience picking up women of other races. I thought why not - I may learn something new that can really up my game. Learn new things from JT from his experince being an Asian guy picking up girls. Keep in mind though that his method is not only for Asians but it works for anyone. I literally watched all his youtube videos, read some of his articles and did good research on this before making this commitment. I did not just go and sign up.
Most bootcamps are only 2 days and 2 nights of training. ABCs of Attraction is the ONLY bootcamp that does 3 days of lecture and in field experience if you are doing a premium bootcamp. I do not know other bootcamps that do the 3days/nights. This was another deciding factor why I decided to go with ABCs of Attraction, making a total of 35 hours of learning and infield experience with a debrief at the end of the night.
If I can turn the hands back in time, I would have picked ABCs of Attraction bootcamp from the get go.
I decided on Venusian Arts because of the name and since this was the pioneer of pick up. So I thought this is where it all started why not go to the original. I did learn things there. Don't get me wrong but I would have learned what I did in the first bootcamp as well as in ABCs of Attraction. Just because its well known does not mean to go with it. Its okay though, shit happens, you live and you learn. Even in the first bootcamp I went to JT made this distinction that 33% of Asian guys take other bootcamps other than ABCs of Attraction. It was true when I was at the original bootcamp I counted there were about 5 Asian guys out of 17 in the bootcamp.
Some of you maybe thinking ABCs of Attraction gets you because JTs Asian and that is his marketing tactic. NO not at all. What other bootcamps do not understand is that by being Asian there are so many misconceptions about us Asian brothers not being taught in non-Asian bootcamps. The ABCs of Attraction will point out what you need to work on so that you will be able to hang with the other guys out there. Those other bootcamps will not tell you that you need to work on to break out of the stereotype that people give to us Asian guys.
I decided to message JT on facebook. He mentions that Kevin is in the area. I met up with Kevin Feng since I am from Michigan and his family is from there too. He tells me all about the bootcamp. I am thinking alright Ill do this. I will make the deposit and see wassup. I'll take the risk again of investing in another bootcamp. So I did, I must say I do not regret taking this bootcamp.
I must say - this is one of the best bootcamps to take. Keep in mind that the classes are ALOT smaller. Max would be 6 students.
Unlike the first Mystery Method bootcamp I went to there was about 12 in-field and 2 instructors! When I went into the in-field portion with the other bootcamp I went to, all the instructors did was go party and drink at their table. None of the students got any feedback, none was pushed into sets, nothing! All it was was just 12 students mostly standing there not opening any sets.
Unlike Mystery and Matador (totally respect them, but they were always so busy) - JT is aware of where the students are. When I am in set I glance over to see if he is watching me. Of course he is. He is critiquing your whole interaction with the girl and her friends. JT sends me texts on my phone like "kino turn fool" "BLP maneuver to place your back against the bar is too soon and too obvious" "Make her turn to you" "Kiss her. Now" things like that, most of the time I get his texts is when I am already out of the set.
What I really like is that JT has a passion for what he does. When we go into clubs he will not go out and sarge girls while I am opening sets. He will maybe chit chat with a girl and still pay attention to what I am doing. He will be totally real with you and give you his honest opinion from what he sees. For the most part he is pretty much dead on.
For example he says that when I open a set, the girl I like I act like a 10 around but when I meet her friends I act like a 5 to them. This is pretty much dead on because I really do not care for her friends and all I care about is the girl. So I need to work on that is not just be a 10 to the girl I like but be a 10 all around to everyone.
Also JT will break you down bit by bit. Your body language, your fashion, your looks, how you dress - Just everything about you. I have been to other bootcamps but I know that most bootcamps will not give you that personal info. They will just give you the knowledge but not what you need to work on.
For example if you have a shit load of pimples: he will suggest go see a dermatologist, if your clothes are too baggy - buy clothes that fit you well, if your posture is hunch backed - go work out and walk straight with your chest out etc. Other bootcamps from what I heard that my friends went to also they do not give you that type of feed back. They will just teach you the method. The method can only get you so far. Your fashion and other things will help as well.
Another example JT found what I need to work on is about me walking around the girl. He says have the girl walk around me and keep my feet planted. She must walk around me rather than me walking around her.
Another one is when I open a 2 set. Both are giving me value and I keep turning my head left and right consistently. What I needed to do was gradually move my head back and fourth slowly.
Basically my issue is being more dominant and taking control. I remember another time he told me to dance with a girl and bend her over. I basically did everything that JT tells me to do. One time there was two girls and I was on the end. He takes me aside and tells me that he is going to the bathroom and when he gets back he wants me to be sitting in between them. So I did.
One of the nights we went to Kress and we had a home base set up that night, there was this really hot blonde girl JT was talking to during the night at our table. She was basically there the whole night with JT. As I was talking to one of my sets I turn around and see JT making out with that blonde girl. I'm thinking HOLY SHIT! I want to be able to do that! I know I will get there but damn that was money! Also about being dominant he did some cave-manning with her, he picked her up took pics. I thought damn it I need to learn how to pick up girls like its no big deal.
Again I will not give names of the bootcamps that my friends went to. From my understanding what I get of ABCs of Atttraction is "Holistic" not just focusing on your game only but everything about you as a whole. Like fashion, smiling, body language, tonality if English is not your first language take a vocal coach or roesetta stone, etc. - Most bootcamps will not give you this advice. They will but will charge you additional rather than ABCs of Attractions it is all in one.
Depending on your skillset I do no recommend you to take a 1 on 1. If you are a beginner take a bootcamp if you are on an intermediate level like me maybe consider a 1 on 1. Approach anxiety from a scale of 1 to 10 (me is 3/4) then take a 1 on 1. Supposedly JT is not doing much 1 on 1s so take advantage of this time and get one in. That is only if you feel like you have the basics down.
For me English is my first language, I dress well, cool hair as JT says. Everyone is going to be different.
Overall I would say that this is the best bootcamp experience I have been to. I enjoyed JTs work ethic during bootcamps. My philosophy for going with JT is that if you already spending for a Certified Bootcamp why not go all the way and take one with JT and take a Premium Bootcamp. That is just the way I view things some of you may have different ways at looking at things, if you're gonna spend money why not go all out? I am sure that Johnny Wolf and William are just as good as well even though I have not met them yet. The instructor ratio is great small and very personal.
JTs professionalism superior. He works with you as if he is your older brother a friend. He does not ignore you or leave you behind while he goes out and parties. Of course he will not sit there but will talk to other people while he observes you sarging. After a night of sarging we would debrief and I would get good feedback which is pretty much on the dot. I feel that in this day and age since we are in 2010 and not 1998 anymore when pick up was very underground that having a debrief is very important. From what I heard from friends who went to other pick up companies they do not do any debriefs. I believe that this is one of the important element in your game is to have someone debrief on your performance of the night.
His timeliness is well done. On time coming to my hotel. By him assessing you on where you are at game he is able to see where you need improvement on and where to start. As for me I was already able to open and not have much anxiety when I talk to girls. So what JT and I worked on was being more sexual and dominant with women.
The information being taught is pretty simple and he is very patient with you. As for me I can be quite an airhead/blonde at times and not catch on quickly. So I tell him I do not get it and he will explain it to you in a way that will make sense. The whole ABCDEF is a lot easier than some other methods being taught there. We worked on personal stack that relates with my personality and it is a pretty easy routine stack that he helped me create to fit my personality.
If I can do it all over again, I wish I have taken ABCs of Attraction from the beginning. You live and you lean right? Also when you do decide to take this bootcamp, to make the most of it: Do what JT or which instructor tells you to do. Never deny them they obviously have more experience than you do. Like when JT told me to go dance with a girl and bend her over I am thinking in my head "what the hell? is this guy serious?" - Shit I did it anyway and she complied. So JT or any other instructor is not out there to make a fool out of you. Also after the bar he told me to open a 10 set at a diner 4 guys and 6 girls. I went and opened with what he told me and I worked with it. Again I was thinking "Is JT serious? what the hell is with this guy". Just do what they tell you and when you get back ask what was the whole point of doing that action they just made you do.
BOTTOM LINE: Do what they tell you to do even if you don't want to do it.
I think if I can do it all again with the bootcamp: what I would change is that maybe I should have found more sets rather than JT finding them for me. I think that is about the only thing I can think of. I know that I put my 110% effort on this bootcamp.
Again I will NOT: 1. Say how much the 1 on 1 was look at the web site. 2. I will not say which bootcamp I went to previously. If you meet me then I will tell you.
If you have any questions on my experience just PM me or ask.
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Post subject: Re: Tearing it up with The Asian Playboy 1 on 1 in LA
Posted: 08 Apr 2010, 19:14
Joined: 09 Jun 2009, 17:48 Posts: 870 Location: Los Angeles, CA
Hey man! Glad you did so well. JT had a ton of good things to say about you and I can now say, after meeting you on Wednesday, that I had a feeling you were going to do well.
It's always so important to get an outside opinion on our game. Knowing that you have a world-class professional critiquing you and offering you that attention is a great boost and, obviously, you're in the hands of someone that wants you to benefit from the experience. Just from reading your review (and JT actually didn't mention it) I know precisely what company you took your other bootcamp with and, while I'm sorry to hear that it wasn't an awesome experience, most of our students that have previously taken bootcamps with that company had the exact same experience you did. Seeing the light on your part obviously made the difference and I hope that you stay motivated and continue to be just as psyched as you were on Wednesday before the bootcamp when we met.
I'm glad the experience was so positive for you and I hope we'll meet again soon!
Also, WRITE FRs!
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Post subject: Re: Tearing it up with The Asian Playboy 1 on 1 in LA
Posted: 23 Apr 2010, 12:10
Joined: 12 Feb 2010, 18:25 Posts: 79
Bootcamp Graduate: No
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Post subject: Re: Tearing it up with The Asian Playboy 1 on 1 in LA
Posted: 24 Apr 2010, 10:36
Joined: 17 Jan 2010, 10:12 Posts: 125
Bootcamp Graduate: YES (BC: Dallas, Jan 2010)
This is an excellent write up!!!
During my bootcamp JT had me point to a girl and tell her to come over. I had never done that before and it truly made me feel like a hollywood star when she complied. I bet your ass was sitting between those 2 girls before he got back. Haha..
I can't even imagine how much you learned. Sounds like a blast. Make sure you message me on the boards or threads.
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