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 Post subject: FR: Getting better
PostPosted: 23 Dec 2011, 05:09 
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Out with a Pan-Asian horde of brothers!

Finally fixed my problems from the last few weeks. The solution was to be more methodical: focused on all the little physical things needed to project intent and confidence. Leaning in definitely was killing me before. A Phase got way, way better.

Set 1: 2-set (Redhead & Blonde) by the unisex bathroom. Situational: "Do you think it's weird to get hit on in a unisex bathroom?" *celebrate their response* "I think the neutral zone is there. And HERE is fair game!" Detect an accent and correctly guess they're Belarussian (I have been to/have friends from almost every country). Get a piece of gum from Blonde, which is a hilarious CT. Redhead is hooked, but Blonde tries to pull to the dancefloor since it's early in the night. Get a bit more banter and dominant posture stops them, but it's a losing battle. The night is young and I figure I can boomerang later on (actually pussied out on that later, boo).

Set 2: Mixed Asian 7-set. I open the friendliest looking dude and he's really nice, introduces me to everyone. I guess that they're from Japan, and they are. There's a super-cute birthday girl whom I converse with. I try to pull her to the table too early, but play off the rejection and banter. Seems tough to convince her, so bounce to another cute girl who seems a little shy. Tough pushing through the language barrier; should've spoken slower. Eject myself; didn't believe enough that I could pull this off. They're friendly to me for the rest of the night, so things hooked well.

Set 3: Brunette HB8 lining up at bar -- I made a random comment about the holidays. Hesitant body language: turns out I'm actually in a mixed 6-set. And the dude that clearly arranged the gathering was not happy to see me. Befriending him fails, haha.

Set 4: 1 set; Blonde HB9 dancing near friends, but pretty isolated. Direct, blowout. Like, I talked a bit and tried a high-five but got a hesitant response. I approached directly from the front, so something may have gone wrong there.

Set 5: One of hottest girls in the club, brunette. Went direct, start talking about random stuff, but her friend is pulling her away and she hands out a "boyfriend" response and turns around. I had a decent shot, but opened the wrong one; probably needed a wing to entertain her friend.

Set 6: Ugh, drama in this one. 2-set, direct approach HB9 Asian, and her friend leaves us alone. Brief banter, high-five about technical fields, right to comfort. C's going well and I'm getting reciprocated kino, eye contact is intense. Go Direct and she reciprocates her interest. I ask for phone number -- she shittests me and asks me if I remember her name (I do). Then suggests facebook/linkedin. I insist a phone number is more effective, but she says "I don't give out my number that easily." wtf? Turns out gsxr number closed her earlier; she knew we were friends and that fucked things up.

Set 7: Get opened by a redhead (HB6) who walked in with her friends. She asks me whether the club has 2 floors. I roll into some joke about the unisex bathroom and such. I eject. My standards are stupidly high; should really see how far I can get with 6's -- often get opened by one or two per night.

The good: Sets tonight were hooking with way less variance (no super bad blowouts or super good); I think William said that was a good sign... BTs and CTs are coming more naturally. Half the girls were on the fence -- liked me *just* enough to not blow me out -- which was a lot of pressure lol. AA is still there but getting better; opening perhaps 2/3rds as much as I should.

To fix: Something's going wrong on my isolation and transition to C. Timing is an issue: often pushing for isolation too early, need more mini-BLP. Suspect I need some dominance. Maybe need to throw in another BT or two in these club environments? Need to coordinate better with wings.

Random note: from my small sample size, around 1/4-1/3 of hot girls in clubs are actually not Bay Area natives. Suggests to me that hot girls *from* SF don't go out to clubs much. I blame the hipsters :p


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 Post subject: Re: FR: Getting better
PostPosted: 27 Dec 2011, 20:18 
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helot wrote:
Random note: from my small sample size, around 1/4-1/3 of hot girls in clubs are actually not Bay Area natives. Suggests to me that hot girls *from* SF don't go out to clubs much. I blame the hipsters :p


Haha, if she's hot, SHE AIN'T FROM SF!!! That's what I always say ;).

I can see you're improving, helot! Good job! I admire that you continue to go out and improve.

As far as other things to work on, from seeing you in the field as well as sarging with you, you definitely need to start being more dominant and aggressive. You tend to give off that "nice guy" vibe. I'm not telling you to change and be an asshole or anything like that. NO WAY. I'm simply telling you that it's okay to develop a bit of a selfish mentality. When you see an attractive girl, approach the shit outta that. Don't care about what happens. Don't care about her friends. It's not her friends you want, it's her. Have that mentality of YOU ARE MAN. SHE IS WOMAN. YOU WANT WOMAN. Don't think about the outcome and go for it.

I remember asking a beautiful lady friend of mine, what are some of the sexiest things you notice in a man? One of the answers she gave me that really summed up all the things that make a man sexy in her eyes was, "He just has to not care." So stop being so considerate and start being aggressive and persistent without caring about the outcome.

Also, as far as passive value is concerned, start looking into fashion magazines and copy the styles of the models as best you can, from head to toe. No offense, but what you have goin on right now when you go out to clubs just isn't working. You will be surprised by this, but a BIG percentage of hooking sets successfully really comes from passive value. Women will always judge you based on appearance before you even open your mouth. I don't blame them, we all judge. It's human nature.

When you can combine good passive value with good body language, the rest of the pick up is smooth sailing. :)



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 Post subject: Re: FR: Getting better
PostPosted: 28 Dec 2011, 06:46 
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super. I can't possibly be offended by good advice; will do my best to follow through. thanks!


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