How to approach on a dance floor which is too loud to talk?

Hey guys,

There's a club in New York City called Circle. It's so fucking loud. You literally can't talk to anybody. You can't hear yourself speak. So if you wanted to run any game here, it will be hard, because nobody can hear you.

However, if you like Asian girls such as myself, you'll find a ton of really hot Asian girls here. And among those Asian girls, you'll find the really sexy ones who dance like strippers. So although you can't run your typical verbal game here, you would still want to somehow game the girls at this venue.

Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to pick up girls from Circle. The hot girls here are the girls which I like most. However, because it's so fucking loud, I'm not really sure what to do here.

My current hypothesis is that you run the entire ABCs structure, except non-verbally. B, C, D, and E are pretty self-explanatory to me if you're on a dance floor. You dance! And you dance with the girl! And you go for the dance floor makeout!

Thing is, I can't figure out A. How do you approach non-verbally on a fucking loud dance floor, where the girls are dancing, and you're unable to talk?

Some observations about the terrain if you're in my shoes at Circle:
- The girls have status over the guys because they're hot and dance like sluts. Direct non-verbal openers haven't worked for me. I tried pointing at girls and motioning "come over here," but it never worked here. Since you don't have status as a guy, non-verbal indirect openers work better.
- Passive value and body language become incredibly important.
- It's important to be able to dance by yourself and look good in a club.
- You can't just jump right into a group of girls and dance with them. You don't have their permission to dance with them. Somehow you need to NON-VERBALLY earn her peer circle approval.
- Asians, especially Koreans, are very "clique-ish," as bigheadedmouse says. The girls care a lot about how they're judged by their friends.

Some things I've tried which didn't work:
- Direct non-verbal openers
- Approaching girls who looked bored (I figured they'd be more open to being approached, but they just don't want to be there)
- Talking to girls before the music got too loud (but this is cheating... because hotter girls will always reveal themselves after the music gets really loud and the dance floor breaks out)
- Making eye contact before I approach (doesn't work because the energy is so high and the lights are out, so they won't notice you)

Some things I tried which DID work:
- I improvised a non-verbal indirect opener on a lone wolf. She had a tattoo on her inner wrist. I grabbed her wrist, inspected the tattoo, looked at her, and nodded my approval. She never removed her hand from mine. But, she was alone... so no peers from whom to gain approval
- Kino turn

Some things I haven't tried yet which might work:
- Dancing next to a group, but not with a group, to hopefully gain their approval. I'm a decent dancer, but I might not be good enough to gain girls' approval just by dancing next to them
- Pretending to get hit by a girl who's dancing, and then overexaggerating an "injury" that she gave me

Main things I'm still trying to figure out:
- How to approach non-verbally and indirectly on a dance floor when the girl is dancing, probably with friends
- How to gain her peer circle approval, all non-verbally
- How to demonstrate value when she's already having a lot of fun dancing with her girl friends

I know these girls want to be approached.... but like I said, this is a TOTALLY different game! Removing speaking from the equation creates a lot of difficulties. Do you guys have any thoughts or ideas?

What's up Jinjo? Great stuff you have in here!

This reminds me of this club in Chicago called V-Live. It's loud, raucous, and you can't even hear yourself speak. Also, lots of Asians.

Things I do to non-verbally open are look at girls and motion them to "come hither." However, this doesn't really work on Asian girls. Typically they just run away.


There IS a way to communicate verbally in these situations. There's a BLP move called "The Silencer" that we teach at bootcamps which let the girls come in close and talk to your ear. However, most of the time they're dumb and they'll just yell in your ear. What you need to do is actually talk right at the hinge of the jawbone.

NERD ALERT - You can skip if you want
The hinge of the jawbone is the Tendomandibular Joint (TMJ), which has three different structures that connect to the ear. These structures are the Mandibular Malleolar Ligament, the Chorda Tympani nerve and the Anterior Tympanic Artery, These structures are filled with tympanic membrane, which is the membrane in which air pressure fluctuations are measured and this information is transmitted to the brain, and perceived as sound, regardless of outer ear stimulation.
NERD ALERT OVER

Since you are directly stimulating the tympanic membrane by talking to the hinge of the jawbone, you are basically talking STRAIGHT TO HER BRAIN, so you can easily seduce the crap out of her. The music is helping you, no matter how loud it is. I've used this at V-Live before. I can't hear what I'm saying, but I know what I'm saying and I know she can hear me. This is exactly what I do in extremely loud situations.

Geez you check out Circle. Circle is predominate Korean club where they have booking. Booking is where you pay allot dollars for a table. The many male waiters you see will try to get a girl to sit with you. I think Eden is also a booking club. Eden is right across from the Empire State building.

I'm Korean and it's been ages since I checked out Circle. Going to an Asian venue is bit different from non-Asian venues but allot of overlaps.

From my experience what worked was get to the club early . Set yourself up at the bar with your wing or if your solo just approach quick to look like your with someone. Usually the earliest is better because no crowd yet and you can hear yourself. I found that I was most successful this way. Plus the Asian guys don't really approach until they get a little drunk or they try to approach when it gets mad crowded by dancing next to a girl hoping the girl will notice. (DON'T DO THIS.)
OK let say you get there late. And it's mad crowded. I remember this happened to me but not at Circle but at Hiro (is that place still open) I just went up to a girl (this happened years ago..lol) and we dance . I think that was more luck than anything.

I think with Korean clubs..you want to show you got $$$ so get a table. It helps to isolate the girls..plus the waiters jobs is to try to bring girls over. Part of the reason why I think Korean guys are not that aggressive in approaching girls they don't know and also why sometimes the Korean girls are surprise that you did a cold approach.

Bro, I know EXACTLY the video you need to see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-unuqF4uklE

Forcing ioi's and getting through a group without entertaining the entire group, lotta stuff in there.

WOAH, I totally forgot about this thread! Thanks for the input guys.

Clarifying point 1: TALKING IS OUT OF THE QUESTION, INCLUDING THE SILENCER.
Clarifying point 2: I'M NOT PAYING FOR TABLES!!!!! FUCK THAT SHIT!!!!
Clarifying point 3: GIRLS ARE DANCING, NOT STANDING AND DRINKING!!!!!

I actually figured out what to do here. I'm still working on it. But the basic idea which I worked out is to add fun by dancing. Most guys can't or won't dance. If you're one of the few guys who can dance well, then girls will start giving you IOIs. That's your invitation to approach. Don't start dancing with your girl right away. You only have permission to dance with the group. Continue dancing, having fun, and giving fun, but also be non-needy. Eventually, you can start testing compliance with your target. When she starts complying, then you can start grinding and escalate. It's pretty simple actually. But again, THE KEY I THIS CIRCUMSTANCE IS THAT YOU'RE COMPLETELY UNABLE TO TALK, AND NOBODY WANTS TO TALK TO YOU EITHER.

If you want women to approach you, make sure you have very good dancing skills. Then find a spot on the dancefloor where there are some people, but make sure it is not too crowded so people can see you dance. Then show off your moves a bit, and on a good night women will approach you. Don't be over-enthusiastic in your dancing, though - you want to come across as a confident sexual being, not an arrogant jerk or socially awkward loser who uses dance to compensate for lack of social skills. And watch your sweat level to make sure your body fluids aren't repelling women. Cool down if you need to.

If you want to approach women, the indirect approach is to join a set for a causal dance. The direct approach is to touch a woman on a non-sexual area and join her in one-to-one dancing, starting casually and slowly escalating to a more intimate, sexual dance. At the beginning of the direct approach, if she walks away, there is a slight chance she will come back to you later if you can demonstrate high value.

As regards to the loud volume problem, either talk sensually into her ear, or take her outside where it is quieter.

Dude I am going to call you on this, but you re making excuses for trying to change a system that has already been working. I have been in some of the loudest clubs possible and still can get my message across clearly. Your vocal tonality is weak, work on it. Talk louder and talk into the back of the jaw bone because the vibrations go straight into the ear and the girls can hear you. One last thing, women have no problem communicating in clubs, neither should you.

Hi everyone! The idea is cool. Oh, well, I think I can use this tactic to talk to a girl I like at the bar especially if the noise are too loud. Hehe

just dance and enjoy for start. what else? then make her notice you noticed her. eye contact, smile, wink, something.
dance close to her and her friends, but closest to her, or take another spot where you can eye contact well. take it all slowly, dont do all this in 5 mins.
then try to dance with her and be polite, dont grab her or something. then... improvise!
wish you luck, man