How do you deal with aggressive/hostile guy friends?

In the 3 weeks of going out in LA so far, I've encountered at least 3 hostile situations where guys got in my face. What the fuck is up with all the anger?? Of all the time that I went out and met girls in Manhattan, I rarely encountered such open hostility, AND MANHATTAN is infamous for its aggressive and rude people!!!

For instance, I went to the W hotel last night around Hollywood for some relaxing time with the guys of ABCs. I saw this cute girl and approached her in my usual way. She was talking to a guy and I was nice enough to introduce myself to the guy first before I opened up the girl. About 2 minutes into the convo, the guy said if i burned him with my cig (I was holding a cig and drink in one hand), "things will get serious". Yea fuck you.

At this point, BenJ came in to wing me but left after the guy started being a rude asshole to him. Then he butted into my conversation with the girl and said if I was being rude to her he's gonna kick my ass...I was tempted to throw my drink into his face. This went far beyond than subtle AMOG tactics that attempt to put you down through dominant humor, this guy wanted to fight me.

Sometimes I really wanna say "fuck seducing this girl and forget the approach, I just want to give the guy a fucking reality check!" How do you guys normally handle this situation?

Whenever one of my regulars goes out with her guy friends, the guys find it amusing to cock-block every dude who approaches her.

Girls bring their "body guard" friends all the time.

Take it all with a grain of salt.

No woman is worth fighting over.

My experience with similar situations is to utilize the "B" aspect of the befriend-ignore-tool mantra. Plus, I always try to keep in mind that the guy who loses his calm demeanor first will automatically lose the girl. I've used these basic principles as the basis for all decision making in amog situations because a) they're easy to remember, and b) shit happens way too fast in amog situations because emotions are involved.

You also have to balance out "wussing out" versus "well, there are plenty of other girls I could talk to here" factor. Yeah, it's never good to be a total wimp and run away with your tail between your legs, but then again, you gotta balance that out with the surrounding environment and the situation your in. When I was single, I usually gravitated more towards the "well, there are plenty of other girls I could talk to here" aspect. As you know, I have a very singular focus when I set a goal for myself, so I naturally direct all of my energies towards that goal. So, when my goal is to meet girls, then I base all of my decisions and actions on that goal. I can't achieve that goal if I'm in a fist fight with some random dude.

So, I wish you the best in your romantic adventures, and I hope that you will consider this perspective as you go out there and find your own adventures.


-William

Well put.

Thanks for the input Will and Jester.

IMO, cockblocking me with douchey humor to tool me is one thing, but actually getting ready to get into a fist fight is a whole different deal...I guess I find it hard to know when to actually throw down and just forget about the girl and maintain my pride, and when to walk away and risk looking like a bitch, which is a feeling that I absolutely abhor.

I'll keep yall's input in mind the next time I get into a similar situation.

As hard as it is to agree with when it's going down, you'll never look worse walking away from a fight.

If you feel your safety is an issue, this is the most effective self defense around....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lThlP8tTLP0

William has some very good points there.

I had a very wise wing (former doorman) who once said that at some night clubs ALL girls go in no matter what but groups of boys or individual boys go in last. This is because these are the guys who endanger the club security staff with fights. It’s like if I can’t fuck and can’t get a girl – hell If I can’t fuck – I’ll fight! In other words guys who can’t get laid – they get mad and fight.

Remember there are bouncers and the bar staff --- if you get kicked out --- your night is ruined…and not just for that one night at that bar.

Realize too that if you had not actually observed the M/F interaction before opening --- that you are INTERRUPTING/AMOGing the other dude. Think about this --- how would you feel if you are running your routine on a girl and some random dude interrupted you and started yapping at you??

--about burning him with the cig thing: I would have said something like that I’m just addicted and needed a fix and then I’m going back up my group of girls – they’re crazy – I’m not gonna burn you! I won’t bother explaining this one not hint the pre-selection/social proof ect.

-- clearly the guy has some plan or goal with that girl and is trying to impress her somehow with his statements (aka DHV in the PUA world) --- as matter of fact that dude is probably writing up some post on some forum right now about WTF!!! --- I had a day 2 with an HB and dude interrupts me and blah, blah, blah!

Of course I only approached after observing their interaction, it'd be a newbie mistake to not to. They looked like friends and I asked them how they knew each other, and surely they weren't in romantic relationship...I took all the necessary precautions, plus the girl was receptive in talking. But somethings are out of your control even if you do everything right, and that's the type of situation that I'm referring to.

But you have a point there, getting into a fight may get me kicked outta that venue permanently, and it is a venue that I want to come back to. So as with everything else in life, balance is the key, and I will slowly discover my balance as this is a situation that I've hardly encountered before LA, at least not to this extent.