high value asian women

Bit of background:
Pre bootcamp, I had no trouble at all getting average to good looking asian girls; only getting white girls. Part of the problem is at that time, I permanently moved to Hong Kong, where there aren't many white girls and too many guys (supply vs. demand).

Fortunately post bootcamp, my skills with white girls has improved dramatically, resulting in many lays with white girls. I travel to LA/Europe/Australia frequently - so this helps in that respect.

Typically I get all my lays within 3 dates. If I don't fuck a girl within 3 dates, I move on and delete their number - no exceptions. I am quite strict on this because I value my time (if I'm not with a woman, I am doing business). I own nightclubs in Asia, so I have a ready pool of young cute girls to meet and I'm not exactly starved of sex.

So on to my question...because I want to grow and not stay in comfort zone I want to date Asian girls of higher social value.

Now, post BC, I have a different problem - I am meeting a LOT of A-list Asian actresses and models through mutual friends - and I have difficulty hooking up with them for various reasons:
a) they don't like to kino in public, especially kiss, make out or hold hands - I get very low compliance for this with Asian girls generally compared with white girls
b) they want me to 'court' them and take them out to dinners and pay for handbags and similar bullshit
c) typically, from what I've seen is that they date a bunch of guys (no sex) who buy things for them, and then they hook up with the guy who is most generous and buys them the most things. I had an actress (who acts for TVB - some of you might know what TVB is) - previous Miss Hong Kong International - tell me her boyfriend bought her an aston martin before she dated him - I was like !?!??!!!!!!? Another girl asked me if I owned a yacht LoL.
(Are these shittests?). When I teased them about it (as I do with some white girls with positive results), THEY GOT ANGRY AT ME FOR CALLING THEM OUT ON IT!
d) like to date other celebrities or billionaire's sons (of which I fall into neither category)
e) Last of all, I am beginning to feel used because I am putting a lot of these celebrities on guestlists for various functions - I'm not talking about night clubs - I am talking about very exclusive functions/clubs where I have access - front-row concert/sport tickets, access into boxes at sport events, Jockey Club, HK Club, Yacht clubs, etc, and I am gaining very little (sex) in return. I am beginning to think I am too nice to them maybe? Maybe they want a dose of me being an asshole more?

I refuse to buy into this above bullshit, so I call the girls out on it - and so for months now I tell them that I am not the type of guy to be a friend in their life who will buy things for them. I particularly hate it when they EXPECT me to pay for everything. I don't mind paying, I just don't want to when someone expects it. When I don't pay for lunch or something, typically girl doesn't see me again lol. It is DESTROYING me. I've been going out on 3 dates without a lay with many of these girls. I've hooked up with only one of these celebrities (I think it was a fool's mate rather than game in that instance)

I am starting to experiment with some new things:
a) pre-framing techniques, e.g. "You know, I think a lot of girls in Asia are brought up in a materialistic environment and use guys in their life to buy them things even though they would never dream of hooking up with them. It's so shallow and superficial. But you are different. I know you are not like this"...
b) taking these girls to places other than yacht clubs or exclusive Asian clubs that there are accustomed to going to - like playing Wargame with BB guns with my friends, or like mini-golf
c) taking girls to cheap diners instead of French restaurants
d) Increasing my passive value by making some of these actresses/models my friends rather than trying to date them.
e) I don't own a car (as I don't believe in materialism and buying cash items that depreciate) and only catch taxis - catching a taxi believe it or not is a rare experience for them. Most refuse to get in an MTR - one girl said it is for 'commoners' lol

I remember someone said that the attraction switches that ranked first for Asian girls was 'money' and 'power' (which is hard for me to work on), whereas for white girls it was other things (like confidence, attitude, etc). Is this really true?

Anyone have any other suggestions for me how to get these high social value Asian women?

Thanks guys.

I've noticed the same about high value Asian women. This is why I challenge my creativity to isolate them.

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First of all, I want to applaud you for your attitude towards those women and thank you for sharing your interesting experiences! It's just as you said, it's bullshit and I think it's really cool that you don't buy into them and that you stand firm on your own principles regarding materialism. Respect!

I'm not so sure about the effectiveness of experiment (d), but I think (a) is absolutely brilliant and I'm really curious as to whether it would have any noticeable effects. However, I get the feeling that materialism is less frowned upon in Asia than in Europe/US. This is probably historical: Asia's economy and wealth have traditionally lagged behind Europe/US, and it's only recently that they're catching up, so people are indulging into their newfound wealth. I predict that, as Asia's economy and wealth continues to grow, there will be some time in the future when the population starts to realize that wealth isn't the end goal in life and that there are fundamental things that are a lot more important. So even if you mention things like shallow and superficial, I'm not sure whether she'll understand.

Maybe you can add to experiment (a) a DHV story that mentions the following things:
1. the historical process I described earlier.
2. some hints that you've dated hot, high-value white girls.
3. that most of those girls hate materialism, and that you and many other Western people feel disgusted by the few girls that turned out to be materialistic.
(of course, don't say it literally like this; try to keep a positive vibe in the DHV story)

What this does:
In Asia, anything associated with the West (and by extension, white girls) generally gives off this vibe of high status and high quality. When you mention that western people hate materialism and that they already went through this process, it may make her think more.

Good luck with this endeavor and keep us up to date bro!

@Snowman: I agree with and have used these methods, not just with Asian women, but high value women in general. I communicate that I've dated the best of the best and this message, when relayed correctly, will result in the girl trying to qualify herself as being different from all of the superficial and shallow models giving women a bad rep.

Of course, when using this method, Experiment C is close to being spot on as long as you're not taking them to McDonalds. With the help of the internet, you can easily find affordable yet stylish venues in your area. I don't advertise I have expensive taste - I just exploit the illusion of it.

@Speed: This is definitely going to be the most challenging experiment. Especially in the Western world, owning a car has been associated with ones level of stability and success, as have the make/model/year/condition of the car. If I didn't live in such a traffic-infected and spread out city, I'd try the taxi experiment more often myself.

Thanks for sharing ur experience!

This really cant be truerrrrr!!!

Very good analysis!!

Always give the impression that you date high value White Girls...consistently and demonstrate it if you can.

Anything suggesting you with an Asian woman is only considered "normal" lower value Asian Male status or as I would call it -- "typical" Chinese Male (aka FOB).

only way to get out of "normal lower value Asian Male status" is dating white women?

if that's not self-hating I don't know what is...lol

Hey --- I’m just telling you what works man! Even normally passive Asian women will take very aggressive steps to get you if you do I do!

Examples:

1) I was dancing with this White girl and this Asian girl appears out of nowhere and physically grabs me and pushes the White girl target away...then proceeds to engage on me!
2) Another Asian girl (in social circle) saw me when I was out with this French girl one time. The next time I was out with my buddies at a pub sitting all around me. That Asian girl came over to the buddy next to me and asked to trade places with him! Then she sat next to me and started to chat me up!
3) In another instance --- AF was dating this WM when I showed up with a 3 WF entourage. A week later our common friends set up a party and the all the seats at the table were taken up except one which just happened to be the seat next to her….It took some planning and work for her to set that one up.

I’m just telling you what works man!