Variety of Bootcamps To Choose From, and Their Hallmarks....

Hey guys. In the whole year since I've discovered the seduction community, I've been compiling a list of possible bootcamps I could take...and right beside the names of each bootcamp, I wrote down what each of their unique characteristic(s) is...ya know, what sets them apart, or what's so special about each of them. So far I've decided to take ABCs Of Attraction.

But maybe some of you newbies are still shopping?....so to help you, I thought I'd share this list with you:


Love Systems – a big factory-like company that has the money to do massive research on their techniques & female psychology...but the techniques they come up don't always work very effectively compared to the amount of research being done. they use the Pickup Phases in pyramidform. A plus is that they also tend to hold'em at fabulous locations such as the Playboy Mansion.

Drills Bootcamp (Dicarlo) – a very drills based natural type game...less about routines, more about inner game & domination. they seem to not rely on the Pickup Phases.

ABCs Of Attraction - an all encompassing, "wholistic", approach...which is actually the whole picture, buffet smorgasbord of gaming/seduction...jack of all trades, master of none...but uses an "ABC" model to the Pickup Phases. It also specializes in working with Asians.

PUA Training - uses the Pickup Phases, but emphasizes concepts (the "why") rather than heavily on specific routines...a more natural "JKD" approach, according to head guru Gambler.

AFC Adam Lyons - same as PUA Training, but utilizes Pickup Phases as a linear equation, and jacks up all aspects of the Pickup Phases along the way at hyper speed.

Lance Mason - Day game specialist...heavily utilizes inner game/frame.

Mystery Method - (have not heavily researched his method) Is mainly good for Night game.

Nick Quick - More of a seminar, rather than a bootcamp. Specializes in Same Night Lays.

David Wygant - Has a more "dating & relating" approach. (He was the inspiration for HITCH)

Carlos Xuma - Focuses heavily on alpha inner game.

Paul Janka - This guy is a BS'er/scammer, and an UN-qualified instructor. Is a natural himself, but can't teach worth spit, and his material is ineffective. A lot of women he's gamed have said that he is weird.

Sinns Of Attraction - (I didn't get to collect any intel on this one before I quit shopping to focus on finishing up business.)

The Stylelife Academy - (I didn't get to collect any intel on this one before I quit shopping to focus on finishing up business.)

Chick Magnet 101 - (I didn't get to collect any intel on this one before I quit shopping to focus on finishing up business...but so far I didn't see anything promising.)

I think all the bootcamp companies have their Pros and Cons.

1.One of the wings I know is from Love Systems but talking to him, I don't think they were as thorough as the ABC class. They did not teach him about peacocking and other techniques of the approach we learned at the ABCs...personally, i was shocked about how little they taught him. After he started hanging out with me, he watched me and started to fine tune it a bit. Plus, I pushed his ass. And now, he gets laid consistently.(Keep in mind...he is the only Love System student I know so maybe there may be some other better experiences).

2. There's RSD. I hear some guys are good and some are just assholes. The ones I have seen in the field act like Frat Boys, but I hear there are some really cool guys.

3. Mystery Method..well, i guess if Mystery was teaching, then that would be cool. Because I would just like to meet the guy who started it all.


Personally, I think finding "the right coach" is key.

For me, i chose ABC b/c it was taught by Asians, I just needed to see it was possible that there were Asian men out there who were good with women.

(If there was an ugly guy who was extremely good with women, I would not hesitate to take a 2nd bootcamp from him.)
SC

How many of the students on the programs for each company gets laid? If you want to mentally masturbate, go with a program that teaches you all these cool theories. If you wanna get laid, go to a program where clients GET LAID ON BOOTCAMP.

I know that Jeffy of RSD has a 1/3 ratio people on program who got laid. There's some LRs here about clients that got laid too.

Here is what my view of companies are:

LS: Bullshit and overpriced. I've never meet any of their Alumnis but I never got any life changing epiphanies from their products.

RSD: Solid company. My friend UtopiaFive just got back from a BC with Tyler. Got a bathroom lay on bootcamp. http://www.rsdnation.com/node/150732

Mehow: I have a friend on their instructors program and my game is better then his. I still can not believe he is giving out advice to guys. Bullshit and overpriced.

VindeCarlo's Drills BC: I know a guy who took this program. His game is not that good either.

DJ Fuji: Never meet him, but I have a friend who was on program with him. He said he learned a lot and his game is quite good now.

eh thats enough of this for now. Its 1:30am.

LOL. I was at RSD world summit 2009 and I'll be there for World Summit 2010. Out of all the alumnis I meet, the RSD guys are the ones who are consistently getting laid.

I have a friend who took an RSD bootcamp in December 09 in LA. Basically the setup was 1 hour meet for a casual dinner, some talk over dinner a little about openers, then out in the field with two approach coaches NONE of whom approached and never demoed throughout. No debrief or feedback. Biggest waste of money he said.

but tell me this guys:

don't you think another factor that determines who gets laid on a bootcamp is the client himself?

A naturally party going guy will more likely get laid than an average guy with boring social status.

So if we are comparing the clients-got-laid ratios, we should only count the numbers that are composed of average guys, NOT already-outgoing party guys.

It'll be pretty tough to get objective advice, no matter where you go. Most people only take one bootcamp, so they can only give input on the bootcamp they took and will have trouble comparing it to others.

I took the ABC bootcamp because I live locally in LA and had the chance to take a few seminars that APB and Johnny Wolf held ahead of time, and I liked what they had to say. It also helped that they were close to home. But I can tell you that it's worked for me. Could it have been better or worse somewhere else? I don't know, because I haven't taken them.

That said, I did talk to one guy spent about 15 grand on various bootcamps (he sold his car, lol) and he gave me some good feedback. (he was a white guy, like me) He said Adam Lyons was fantastic and that after the end of his training, almost all of his game was a combination of Adam Lyons and ABC's. He said Vince Kelvin was just okay, but a spectacular deal for the money. He also said to avoid Ross Jeffries like the plague.

As far as Mehow, one thing I've noticed is that guy does the "I'll train you to be an instructor if you keep taking my bootcamps" scenario. This is kind of an old business technique that often results in a scam. Photagraphers will tell aspiring models that if they pay them for enough shoots, they're photos will get submitted. Or they have things for musicians where they'll say "we want to publish your music" and make you end up paying for all of the studio time and equipment and they give you CD you could burned yourself. I think Vince Kelvin might do something similar. If it is a scam on their part, that's unfortunate, because those guys do have some good stuff to say.

Oh, and my hand has been my ONE magic pill since I was 12

I've been following the community for several years..


I finally decided to take a bootcamp and went with ABC's of attraction.

75% of my boot camp FCLOSED and got laid. That means ABCs went 3-4.

2 of us got multiple hookups. There was so much comradery and a team atmosphere.

I'm proof that ABC's doesn't just specialize with Asians. I don't know about you, but most clubs and social circles have a mix of different people from different backgrounds. The strength ABC's have is that their boot camps aren't just focused on one type of woman. There is an international and diverse understanding of different women.

Now about people getting laid because of who they are??? 2 of my mates from the boot camp had me thinking that they might be lost causes. The 1st night they started slow and had some limiting beliefs, but by the 2nd night I couldn't believe it.

They were coached up, ready to go, and responded to the challenge. One of them full out FCLOSED and got laid by a tall attractive blond and the other student was doing great and had several Kiss closes. All this happened in the biggest steroid meatball bar in Dallas. The boys held their own.

The strength that ABC's gives besides having a solid base is:

1) Obviously great beginning and solid foundation

2) Excellent focus on direct and natural game

3) Strong touching (KINO escalation) - without this you might as well walk in a club with your arms tied behind your back.

4) THE BEST PHONE/TEXT GAME - kicks ass and works everytime.


Ian Johnny

Oohhh.. if you want an honest assessment or review of a bootcamp. I'm biased. Go read mine!!

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