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 Post subject: San Francisco February 2011 Review
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2011, 01:07 
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Joined: 12 Sep 2010, 16:37
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Bootcamp Graduate: YES (BC: San Francisco, Feb 2011)
Here's my review of the ABCs bootcamp in San Francisco.

To give some background on myself, I'm a 31 year old guy, born in Canada - but of Indian background. I've always been terrible with women, but I did have some relationships recently with relatively low value women. But I've never had any choice in the women I date, I've just taken whatever I can get, as long as they aren't fat or old.

On the first day of the bootcamp, JT and Gareth went over the Approach/Attract and Banter/Buying Temperature phases of the model. Sarah was present to provide a female perspective on some things, and for us to practice kino turns with - and she was a great sport. I can't imagine that being kino turned by 12 guys in succession was all that much fun. :) Our goal for that night was to approach sets and spike BT with humor or some provided gambits.

We arrived at the first venue in San Francisco at 10 pm, and did some improv to warm up our conversation skills. I noticed a girl standing near me, so I opened her with a slight neg, and we had a conversation for a few minutes. I sensed the conversation going stale so I back turned her. She reopened me a few minutes later, so I quickly number closed.

Once we went into the main area, we could see that not only was the venue dead, but there were virtually no women there. The instructors quickly had us change venues to a more target rich environment. At that point, there were no excuses. Showtime and Gareth sent us into set after set. I've always hated clubs, since I've just stood in the corner feeling bad and not knowing what to say to women. But with what we were taught, I was at least able to start conversations - albeit all of them ended in blowouts. In between sets, some girl wanted to dance with me, but I can't dance for shit, so that fell apart quickly.

Debrief was comprehensive, and I appreciated the instructors taking some time with each of us to tell us what they observed and how we can improve. My problems were that I've corrupted my brain with too much PUA material, and I stay in B for too long. Both of these are 100% accurate. Special props to Showtime, he gave me lots of valuable feedback on this night.

Second day was the Comfort and Direct Interest phases of the model. Our goal was to take interactions to those levels, get a kiss close, and also do some direct openers. We also had to bring girls back to the VIP table.

When we got to the venue, I was nervous and shaking like crazy. Walking into that club was one of the most terrifying experiences I've had in recent memory. But the instructors made us feel comfortable, and I felt much better after a few minutes.

Unfortunately I was one of the worse students in the class that day. I did not kiss anyone (well, only on the cheek) and did not bring any girls back to the table. I did 4 direct openers and some situational ones, I was unable to get any sets to hook. Fortunately Gareth and some students managed to bring girls back to the table for us to practice C and D on.

Somehow I ended up with one German girl sitting with me, and despite stacking DHV stories, and using the photos routine - she just stayed cold. Eventually she was pulled away by her friend.

At the end of the night, Gareth had me open a three set of all girls. One of the girls sat down on the couch, and I ran my tightest game of the weekend. Unfortunately I self-destructed in the D phase. After my kissing gambit failed, I didn't back off. I danced with her for a while, stuck my hand up her skirt, at which point she was rescued by one of her friends. Hehe...oh well, I had to see how far I could take it.

Debrief was once again very helpful. The instructors complimented my attitude, but observed that I need to work on D - I seem to stall out in C. Another accurate observation, my dating history is mostly AFC comfort game - so expressing direct interest and using kino is quite new to me.

On the 3rd day, I attended an optional session with Gareth on phone and text game. This was very well done, my phone and text game is utter crap. I'm confident that with the information Gareth provided, it will be a massive improvement. I tried one his voicemail lines today on the girl I met on the first day of the bootcamp. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure the number is fake, but if it's not, I'm sure Gareth's advice on voicemails will get her calling me back in no time.

After the optional session was an explanation of E and F. I kind of felt bad because these seem like a pipe dream to me, and I think some other students were feeling a bit down too. But JT and Gareth quickly raised the mood by acknowledging that we will get there with time, and by concluding with some very inspiration speeches. Gareth's speech almost brought a tear to my eye.

I've been rambling enough, but all in all, this bootcamp was well worth the money and I'm glad I took it.

Positives:
- Most inexpensive bootcamp in the industry.
- Best student : instructor ratio (2 or 3 to 1!)
- Comprehensive debriefs
- Caring instructors who are genuinely nice people.
- Simple method to follow. For those who don't know anything about PUA, remembering 6 steps is pretty simple.

Negatives:
- That the bootcamp had to end!!!

The caveat I want to point out is, if you have crippling approach anxiety - wait a little while before signing up. At least get comfortable talking to cashiers and salespeople, and doing basic situational openers with lone wolves. Otherwise you won't get your money's worth from the bootcamp.

My mindset today after I've had a chance to reflect, is that I still have a very long way to go. Most of my sets ended in blowouts (and I'm uncertain I was even able to generate attraction), but the instructors got me approaching and that's the first step. With the friends that I made on the bootcamp, and with the instruction we received, I'm confident we can help push each other to success.

Bring on Beginner's Hell!


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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco February 2011 Review
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2011, 14:28 
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Joined: 16 Nov 2010, 07:05
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Bootcamp Graduate: Yes (SF Feb 2011)
I'll just tag on my review to blofeld's instead of starting a new thread.

I have to preface my review by saying I attended the classroom portion only.

I would have to say that although I learned a bit about pickup and met some great guys, I'm not sure I would take a bootcamp again knowing what I know now because of my situation (I recently got in a relationship). I thought why the hell not, I will probably use some of this stuff in life, work, if/when I'm single again.

I got into the community to be a better person and to "be a man", so I've started the path to self improvement for some time now (fashion, attitude, inner strength, etc). I'm not starting from ground zero like some participants or prospective ones might be. So this bootcamp helped solidify that I'm already doing the things I need to and am becoming the best version of myself I can possibly be. I feel like as a result of the bootcamp, I can be better socially (although I'm not horrible to begin with), and I know how to flirt better and be better in a nightclub situation.

Good:
- learn routines, how to stack, get practice, instructors will point out your weaknesses so you will work on them.
- met some great guys I hope to sarge/hang with
- it really hit me when on the last day an instructor said "you get into the community to get out of it" and I agree 100%

To Improve:
- Felt like the energy and amount of teaching/material declined after day 1, felt the info was rushed a bit

You should take a bootcamp if:
- Like Blofeld says, you've warmed up enough beforehand so that A.A. is not a big deal for you
- You are ready to party like it's 1999 and are single
- You really want to speed up your game education- you can learn this stuff just by experimentation and going out there often. If you can get over your A.A., guess you don't really need a bootcamp. But if you need someone to push you, that's what a bootcamp is all about. If that sounds like you, take a bootcamp.

I want to thank the instructors for their help this past weekend.


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 Post subject: Re: San Francisco February 2011 Review
PostPosted: 19 Feb 2011, 16:29 
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Hey guys!
Thank you for reviewing!

To Blowfeld:
You did have a great attitude, however your self-evaluation after night two makes me sad. You should never talk about yourself like that. Having negative self-talk is only going to debilitate you. On the flip side, I'm really glad that you realize that too much community can equal negative results. There is this false assumption within the community that you have to read upon as much material as you possibly can and follow as many different instructors and PUAs as are available in the market. Trying out different methods is one thing, but you burn out fairly quickly if you overload your mind with PUA jargon, stacks, openers, blahblahblah. That's how we get those PUA cartoons running around blowing out sets left and right.

You seem to have a good grasp on what your good at and what you need to do from here on out so I'm not going to repeat everything you said. I think I'll just say that there's nothing more importance that dominance and building sexual attraction. I say it all the time and I'll keep saying it until people do it!

To Seeker:
Everyone has their reasons for getting into the game and I'm glad yours come from a positive place. Congrats on the girlfriend. Hopefully we won't be seeing you too soon ;)

<3 Sarah Ann


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