This forum is so unique that I have to come and say Hi

Hey Guys

Having stalked in this forum for million of light years, I think it's time for me to introduce myself and be part of this community.

----Background Information

I am a complete local, born and raised in Hong Kong, never study abroad. Yet get pretty okay exposure to western culture due to my job

---- Type of person

I don't think I am very outgoing, but certainly not the complete shy guy type.

----- AMWF Expereince

Started my journey 1 year ago, so far I've got only 2 white girlfriends. First one from the US, for few weeks, broke up due to religion reasons, met thru online, second one was a british, not much attraction for me, so I said goodbye.

----- What I have done so far to improve

a. Joining a lot of events for white guys, like wine tasting, forced myself talking to strangers
b. Try to hangout as much as I can with white guys, to build up social proof
c. watching US and UK TV shows, get a feeling on jokes, how white guys talk to girls..
d. Reading ABC Attraction forum...

----- Problems that I am having now
a. too little white girls in Hong Kong (No there are actually a lot, but only in those expat type of bars/clubbing, most of the HB6+ are visitors only, come and go
b. I can't dance, I am only good at talking..
c. Sometimes I have a lot of topics to talk with girls, but sometimes I got nothing. Really depending on the girls and our common ground
d. Wanna try a direct approach on the street, but the HK seems to be too conservative, and the day game field is so closed to my office, and I feel not professional to day game wall-street banker type of girls..

----- My Advantages here in HK

a. AMWF still very rare
b. Most local HK Guys do not have the balls to talk to white girls, reasons like language barrier
c. Too many white guys chasing the Asian girls here, (Thanks for that, easier for me to pinpoint my market)
d. Quite good looking, slightly above average at least.

--- What I want to do now?

a. Planning to leave HK to a place with more white girls, it's all about numbers.
b. Joining a bootcamp (a bit hard at the moment as I am still in HK)

--- Things to do before I die?

a. Get the great girls that I have been dreaming of...
b. doing (a.)
c. doing (b.)

ALL Right, I think that's enough for my introduction, I am more than happy if you guys want to know more about me...

Oh yes, I am sure there will be a lot for me to learn, but please feel free to comment or saying shxt to me, that's the only way to learn.

I know that I need to learn from my failures. Like "Every victory is a missed opportunity to learn", from Akuma, the greatest fighter from StreetFighter. Lol

Appreciate all kind of feedback!

Hey there and welcome!

For a place like Hong Kong, you're probably better off going indirect. Check out my post on indirect situational openers here:

the-war-room-f34/using-situational-openers-correctly-t5746.html

In regards to the dancing, take a class! It helps! Plus, a woman likes a guy who can dance and it helps you to escalate quicker with women, raising BT, and all that other stuff! Dancing is fun and women love a fun guy! Jinjo wrote a neat article on it here:

main-lounge-f22/thoughts-on-grinding-with-a-girl-and-how-it-ll-get-you-laid-t5757.html

In regards to running out of things to say, I recommend taking improv classes if you can find a school that offers it. These classes have helped me out a ton. Plus, I feel like taking improv classes have helped me to build more confidence. You also might want to try doing more exciting bold things that you never thought you would have done before. That way, you have more interesting things to talk about with a girl.

Anyways, again, welcome and feel free to browse the forums and post any questions you might have!

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the 1st reply.

- Why do you think indirect is better in HK? I am mainly targeting the White Girls, I thought Direct is better for them? Well actually I dont have enough experience to say which one is better in HK.

I did win some and lose some. Sometimes direct will kill you within 10 seconds, but indirect can buy you a little more time to engage the set. Most of the time when I went direct, they just say thank you in a very boring tone. But there was one HB9 Blonde ( very rare in HK) in the bar alone buying some drink, I went up and did a kino turn with my hand on her shoulder. I said in a funny voice

I: " Yo, I have never done this before and I'm from HK, but I have to take the risk of receiving a punch on the face, just to say How naturally beautiful you look"
She: oh, I should punch you now then, haha I was kidding"

SHe then gave me a kiss on the cheek instantly, but then she said she has a bf outside waiting for her, but she told me twice that my compliment was a good one. I then said "actually my name is "Boyfriend destroyer" and eject

--- Dancing, yes maybe I should learn about it. However, eventually I am not looking for a quick lay in the bar/club, I am just not that type of person, should I instead invest in other areas rather than dancing?

-- Finally, do you have any ideas on "gaming" in a scene like HK? It's so hard for me to meet WF, not to mention most of them are either very successful wall-street bankers or just 2 day visitors...

-- What about Day Game? But like what I said, the day game area is pretty closed to my office, and will I look like very -unprofessional by doing this to bankers?

I know it's a list of questions, but I got to learn through asking and trying.... THanks in advance!

Hey, Welcome Aboard!!!

Thanks for sharing your info with us, it is a pleasure to have you on her. Good to see that you have set goals written down.

Hope to read your future posts.


-Ozzie-

Ah I see. Well if you're targeting WF from outside HK then perhaps direct is the better way to go. From what you wrote, it seems to work for you. When I said going indirect would probably be better, I was throwing that with the idea that you were approaching Asians.



I wouldn't necessarily say that I was telling you to learn to dance so you can get the quick lay. lol. Although that can happen, I was merely trying to say if you think you are not a good dancer, maybe you should just take classes. Besides, here at the ABCs we consider dancing more as a BT spike. If you can raise her BT and be a fun maker, not a fun taker, then it also helps with getting in and trying to game her and get her number so you can meet up outside of the venue later on for a day 2. If that's what you want.

If you want to invest in something else, perhaps improv classes. These classes will help you think quicker on your feet, help build conversation skills, and you'll feel more comfortable with saying whatever you want... no matter how ridiculous. It will give you more confidence. Improv has helped me in those things.



Sorry bud I have no clues of any hotspots in HK. lol. Maybe someone else here on the boards have an idea of what's good.



Yeah, just like the saying goes, "Don't shit where you eat", gaming in the workplace is generally not a good idea. But then again, if the day game area isn't actually in the workplace, but outside, I don't really see what the big deal is. When I was just starting and still getting into the habit of approaching and practicing, I took the time during my breaks from my work to go outside and start approaching. If you're truly worried about appearing unprofessional by others, then maybe you should consider going indirect on your approaches; that way you don't look like you're hitting on them and you're just there making conversation. However, keep in mind that as long as you still have that limiting belief in the back of your head that makes you worried about what other people think, it will also hinder your abilities to attract women. Generally from my experiences, women seem to like a man who just doesn't care and goes for what he wants. This is part of being alpha. Just something to think about.

Good luck and hope this helps!