Plentyoffish Relapse

I broke one of my own rules.

Not sure why.

I suppose being bedridden from this shitty cold with my regular girls off on different vacations can create some boredom.

It took three days to remind me why online dating sucks donkey balls.

You’re probably thinking “Wow, it took you that long?!!”

I know, I know.

And for those of you who disagree, I really urge you to ask yourself why.

Why do you stand behind online dating? Emphasis on the word behind – because it’s like hiding.

The real ‘Catch 22’ is that nobody who is successful at face-to-face encounters ever promotes anything so substandard. After all, what sane dude would prefer a “O.B.R.” over THIS?



“Forget talking to living, breathing women. Go home and jerk it on your PC!”

I was mostly curious to see if any of the newfound skills I’ve acquired over time could differentiate me from all of the other AFC’s when applied online.

But even someone who has helped teach a bootcamp can strike out when denied key factors like kino, eye contact, tonality, and posture to reinforce the confidence they claim to have.

For example, if I were in front of you now, saying everything you’re reading, the words would have far more power because of how they’re delivered.

But, unfortunately words are not read by an audience with the same passion that the author intended them to have. They lose their muster, being watered down by the transition from thought to paper.

So despite your intentions, if a girl reads your profile aloud, chances are she’ll assume you sound as lively as Ben Stein doing a Clear Eyes commercial.



Vocalization is to Meeting Women, as the 22 Glock is to the LAPD – it’s the most effective weapon. We’re each given vocal chords. But unlike the consequences of using a gun, none occur from speaking. No lethal ones anyway.

Debra Fine, author of the book The Fine Art of Small Talk, was originally an Engineer (just like JT). Back then, she was so socially inept that during business gatherings, rather than networking she’d lock herself away in the ladies room.

And she makes a terrific point: We’re programmed from childhood to practice anti-social behavior, like when Mom says “Don’t talk to strangers!” All of the sudden we’re supposed to deprogram ourselves?

Now she’s a Motivational Speaker, like Anthony Robbins.

How did that title even materialize? Motivational Speaker. They get paid to do something we all have the capability of doing. It’s not like a sport, where one must train all year long. It’s talking. Most of us have done that in our sleep.

And that’s something we must do for the sake of personal growth at the very least.

So rally behind any dating site you want, as long as you do not rob yourself of the irreplaceable benefits of socializing in person with anyone and everyone. Give the gift of gab and you’ll be impressed how much it improves your results.

I was on many dating websites for a long time --- just a few things I want to point out in relation to what Jester said:

1) Many women will not even read your message or even your profile. On POF --- when your message arrives --- it shows your picture...If it doesn't look like what they are looking for --- they would delete your e-mail without reading it. If you check to see who viewed you last --- they probably didn't read your profile either.

2) There are not that many women that will plug in Asian as a search criteria so you might not even show up in their searches.

3) You can give it a try with some kind of copy and paste e-mail with a few changes in wording...you can finish off all the desirable women in your local area pretty quickly.

4) Even if you get one on MSN messenger -- chances they are chatting with others at the same time!

5) Really -- online dating is no better than a bar...it is actually worse. The city I live in is not very big. On some odd occasions I do meet the women (that shot me down online but don't remember me) at an actual bar --- and manage to get really major IOIs (aka them kissing, touching, making an extra-ordinary effort to be beside you, etc.) but then I blow them off because I'm pissed at them!! The way I blow them off is that I have a J-Line going and if you are a PUA and owning the event --- you should already have another HB on the go.

In summary --- if you think online is the last chance thing --- give it a go! You'll find it is worse than real night game. Keeping that in mind -- realize that your best chance at success is actually social circle game. The reason many of us focus on other forms of game is because there is nothing that interests you in your current social circle.

Sure, one can argue that it's "easier" to type up a profile than to go through the steps in person. But I wouldn't say more effective.

In fact, it would be a serious problem if one is better at online chatting than face-to-face encounters. Either way, you wind up face-to-face so having tight game in that phase is a necessity whether you utilize a dating site or not.

And you can't say the results are better AND overlook the quality of the women. Those who give their info up over the internet in a heartbeat typically are not that attractive. Remember - hot women know they have options.

In addition - your example mentions Manhattan. The Boston Globe wrote an article about the single ratio in different US cities. NYC was ranked the easiest singles scene for guys, with single women outnumbering guys by 210,000. On the contrary, Los Angeles county was the worst for guys, with single men outnumbering women by 90,000!! Your geographical location plays a huge roll. Here's the article.

Fact is fact - you can't fuck your PC. (not yet) This is the wrong forum for home-appliance-erotica. DON'T LET THIS BE YOU!

So I say, NEVER let online interaction supersede face-to-face. Just use it as a side-dish. A little extra source you use to help. Every major pre-bootcamp and post-graduation challenge involves going out there in the real world and kicking your ass 'til you can face a live human with little or no anxiety. Make it happen.

@Minty Fresh:

I think you interpreted my last post a little incorrectly and I probably could've been more clear about it.

The overall message is directed at everyone. Not just you.

Face-to-Face dating is like the main course, the jumbo burger. Online dating is like the side of fries. People typically eat the burger. Some eat the fries, some don't.

But when online dating becomes the primary method (the main course) they're missing out on everything you and I seem to agree can be achieved only in person.

I've experienced more than enough of every major online dating site to make an accurate judgment. I wouldn't review something I haven't tried.