Johnny wolf and Asian Rake's bootcamp,which is better?

depends where you live...if you live in China..then Asian Rake is closer..

if you live in the US..then ABCs bootcamp is closer

PS..JW is retiring soon!

fredxcl,

having met both guys, and beyond what Straycat said (not only just purely geographic differences):

Their main difference is that Johnny teaches about structure, tactics and BLP (body language positioning) where as Asian Rake teaches mainly about value, fixing inner self. Of course there are certain things in common.

Both seem very effective, but they use different paths to mastery. And also, both could be equally useless if you have problems beyond pickup.

It's your call, and yes straycat is right, JW is retiring soon.

ABCs is catered to a person of all levels. Once they meet you, they will determine where you are at and coach you based on your sticking points. I believe most programs do that.

This whole thing is about self discovery though. So you need to put yourself out there. You should write an introduction about yourself, tell us about how your romantic life has been, and what you think you need improvement on.

How did you find out about the pickup community? Have you read any books about pickup?

I believe every bootcamp out there can be good as long as you continue to practice what you learn and consistently use what has been taught.

Since you are on ABCs board...we will recommend JW but like I said, every bootcamp is just the beginning of your journey.


SC

Fred-

When I mean problems beyond pickup, and I'm sure most will agree with me, is if you arent ready.

If your have absolutely terrible social skills or a crap lifestyle, you should fix that first beforehand. Problem why most guys never get good is that their social skills were too horrendous and yet they expect to get good with girls?!

As far as which bootcamp is more suitable for beginners,

David (Asian Rake)'s students are all usually somewhat socially competent. However, this still means they are beginners. I've sarged with a few of his students, they're really fucking good with girls.

JT (Asian Playboy) bootcamp is tailored for a whole range of skill levels. Obviously being a graduate myself and sarged with others, it's great for noobs as well as other levels.

Hey Fred,

Two things I would definitely consider are credibility and results.

Personally I don't know much about A.R. or met anyone that's taken his bootcamps, so I can't comment on him other than it sounds like his tactics are focused strictly on asian girls.

The ABCs was developed to work multiracially by men on all girls of all backgrounds (white, black, hispanic, asian, etc etc) in any country; it's a lot more versatile, imo.

The ABCs of Attraction consists of direct game, indirect game, and structured natural game. It's a structure that allows you to plug and play your personality; it brings the best out of your personality and more about having a complete Game Plan as opposed to specializing in one style or niche Game.

From what I've gathered so far from a consumer stand point when I was shopping for bootcamps, the ABCs of Attraction has OVER 100 POSITIVE BOOTCAMP REVIEWS and Johnny Wolf has a great number of positive reviews in both video and written forms:

ARTUS


RICH


Testimonials on Johnny's Blog
http://thesocialsecrets.com/testimonals-and-press/

Testimonials on the ABCs Forums (over 100 and counting)
viewforum.php?f=42

At the end of the day all I know is that I was a student in your shoes looking to take a bootcamp about a 6 months ago, and I looked around read reviews, and had a bunch of options.

But I ended up deciding to take the bootcamp with Asian Playboy's ABCs of Attraction because I knew he has helped a lot of Asian guys even worse off than myself, and they all seem to have had really great results.

Also the ABCs of Attraction structure I heard was easy to learn and powerful, which I now know it is.

In case you havn't watched it yet, here's some in-field footage of me after the bootcamp. I was really bad before, like really bad (you saw how badly I did in Episode 2 of PUA2, right?), and now i'm growing leaps and bounds.

My Infield Sarging Video After VH1 and After APB's Bootcamp


Johnny Wolf is the only one I can personally recomend because he's helped me personally, and I know he's legit.

-Kevin Feng

Fred,

Hey man, I'm glad to hear that you're deciding to take a bootcamp. Which ever program you choose, you're making a great decision by putting your ego out of the way and asking for help.

I really can't say much about him as an instructor, but I am familar with his natural approach.

I do believe that naturalizing your approach is a very important aspect of game, which I personally worked on for many months myself in the past. But I'm also glad I did it after I learned the basics and proper structure first, because even with a lot of experience.

The ABCs of Attraction model and bootcamp is extremely good for beginers and can be used in advanced levels as well. Even though I personally do a lot of natrual game myself, I continue to teach students the basics and the structure no matter their skill level because I want them to have a solid foundation without any holes to fill later.

Hey Fred, welcome aboard.

Just to clarify, the ABCs of Attraction is the model that I created as well as the company that I am the CEO of. Johnny Wolf is one of my Instructors who works for me and will be living in Thailand while I am located in Los Angeles.

Because Johnny will be in Asia and he speaks Mandarin, ABCs of Attraction programs will be available on an extremely limited basis while he lives there and pursues his dive master certification and volunteer work.

Sign ups here:
http://thailandjan09.eventbrite.com/

Fred,

Extremely limited means, I will only be avaliable to teach a bootcamp once every three months. I'll be busy aside from that with scbua diving training and animal rescue.

As for picking up in english, most people in thailand won't speak perfect english anyways, so don't worry. Both Swedish and Thai girls speak only okay english. Everything that you will learn can used and translated into Chinese as well, and I will go over some specifics with you on how to game Chinese girls, because it is slightly different when it comes to things like kino.