Winston Wu's post about am/wf not naturally compatible

I found something written by Winston Wu in one of his forums quoted below.




This seems to be partially BS to me. Does anyone have any opinions and views on this?

I can not and will not say that Winston's opinion, observations and experience are true for every asian male seeking a white woman to be with. It just isn't possible to say 'every' asian male is meek and feminine looking.

I will, though, speak from my own experiences.

I have dated both asian and white women. I am not a fan at all about categorizing women based on their race but since this is 'asian' playboy, I will do so here.

I get along better with white women. This is where Winston's observations ring a little truth with my experience. I am over 6' tall, have very broad shoulders with a face that isn't hard on the eyes. While I look asian. I do not look like the stereotypical nerdy 'asian' that western media portrays.

My physical attributes are a blessing for dating white women but a curse for dating asian women. I am too tall and too big framed for most asian women. The size discrepancy is noticeable especially in pictures. Now, I am not saying that it is my physical size that makes me unattractive to asian women. It is who I am as a person. I am asian to and for my parents. But I am more comfortable living in the western culture.

In this sense, I get to enjoy the best of both worlds. I am viewed by asians AND whites as very tall, very fair skinned, very good looking, very intelligent and very successful.

I am not being boastful. I am being honest. There are not a whole lot of people similar to me. Who and where I am today is a combination of genetic blessing and a ton of very very hard work.

As for Anglo/Scandinavian/Germanic women not being feminine enough? Wow. How low are some peoples standards set? I have dated Anglo and Scandinavian women and I can assure you that they are very feminine. American women are much much more sensual and sexual than asian women and participate vigorously. White women are much more honest with their feelings and are more apt to tell you what is on their mind. While, this may drive a lot of men (asian and white) crazy, it is communication. And failure in communication will lead to failure in any relationship regardless of ethnicity. American women's body outline is incredibly feminine. American women know how to make a man feel like a man!

Asian women may appear more 'feminine' externally and in social settings but, from my experience, are very manipulative and controlling. My friends married to asian women, the majority of them complain about the absent sex life once the kids come along. Asian women focus on the children as ultra top priority while a balanced American women, not all but in general, will see and value their husband as more important than the children.

As for sexual attraction. And taking race into consideration. White women are more naturally and effortlessly attracted to me. I am very lucky in that I am very naturally good looking with western facial features. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. Combine that with my height and broad frame, then yes. I am naturally attractive to white women who are in general taller and larger framed (not fat) than the typical asian woman.

I have zero trouble catching the attention of gorgeous women. But for some reason, asian women, even the average ones don't give me a look let alone a second one. I don't think I am ugly to them. I had one asian girlfriend who showed a picture of us to her cousin in asia and she asked if I was a movie star or something like that. Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

To sum things up: Winston's reasons sound more like excuses. Justification on why he is such a strike out with American women. I remember him saying that while he lived in the Pacific Northwest, the women there were asian male haters. I instantly disagreed with him on that one as I was born and raised in the Pacific Northwest.

Again, if we are talking about race. And the desire for asian males to date white women. Sounds weird to me still. Then yes, I think it is not just possible but 100% realistic IF the asian male sees that he is dating a woman and not an asian woman or white woman.

If the asian guy wants to date a smoking hot beautiful 'white' woman, then it may be harder than dating a smoking hot asian woman. For that, short of being a gazillionaire (and besides, you will have her for only a few years at best. Trust me on that one), the guy has to be a match to the gorgeous woman. You will not see a whole lot of loser looking guys with smoking hot babes. (short of being a gazillionaire and having her for a short time).

BTW: and not to be rude, insensitive or mean. I am just being honest. Heather and Sarah to me are at best 'average'. Brooks, while pretty with professionally applied make up is at best mildly above average to me. This is strictly appearance based. If they had a killer personality that complimented mine. I would consider letting them take me out on a date. Why do I say it that way? Because a man has much more to offer than a woman does. I do not pursue to be in a relationship. I am the pursued.

I've been in PUA for over 2 years now and I have a WF girlfriend --- I'll have to say on the most part I would agree with what Winston said but there are some qualifiers. So in no particular order here are my thoughts:

1) I would say a very large percentage of AMs are not much more alpha than a WF! I know WFs that are taller, physically stronger, richer, more risk taking, and domineering, ect than a lot of AMs and it just goes to reason that if a WF can not respect you that they can not be attracted to you either. This is a Kezia statement --- basically if a woman does not respect a man then she can not be attracted to him. Where as a man is opposite -- he can be attracted to a female without any respect for her.

2) There are not many AM/WF couples for me to study but the few I did know --- the guy was a typical AM in terms of overall intternal/external strength, not particularly rich, tall, not good looking and had very little status and he got a HB7.5. However this HB7.5 was painfully shy and super beta and super compliant. I figured she couldn't handle an Alpha male like a regular woman...she would probably get smacked around.

3) Although "statistically" we are fighting an uphill battle I hate the use of "statistics" because it implies you have no free will of your own and that you are free to fail because other Asian Men are. I think most Asian men are social robots (but not the Neil Strauss PUA kind) but we are so similar, follow the same patterns in jobs, dating life ect. that even the idea of dating a hottie is out of the question...heck how many AMs do you see in a average bar?

The problem with reading "stats" is that while it is true (and depressing) --- it also gives you an excuse to fail or not try just because the meek low self esteem AM with glasses beside you is destined to fail. I choose to ignore these stats and game --- stats apply to the general population but not to a specially trained AM.

4) Basically what Winston is saying is that AMs are not sufficinetly "alpha" in our "natural" state to win a WF. I believe a lot of this comes from lack of knowledge of evolutionary psychology and how things work. Even after studying PUA I find myself occasionally slipping back into old habits but I do catch it and apply it to my current GF. In other words if we had the knowledge of evolutionary psychology and PUA then we do have the ability to cheat the statistcs and beat the odds.

5) I think that status and money have a strong effect on your "A" stage in the ABC model...this is why I make sure that in my stack I convey this fast --- otherwise I know the set will close very soon no matter your body language, tonality, banter, gimmicks, gambits, ect. As matter of fact I convey status, money right at the opener if I can and not wait for the C phase because you normally may not get that far.

Do most asian males both asian american and those asian males living in Asian countries which include Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and the People's Republic of China (mainland China) don't have a strong enough personality sufficient enough for dating and having a relationship with a WF?

Do White females have much higher standards than many Asian females especially the fobby asian girls that many asian males can't fulfill?

Plus besides learning PUA, do asian males have adopt Western standards of Masculinity including those from African American culture in order to game WFs?

Does Asian culture is general do not encourage masculine qualities such as athleticism and only institutionalize feminine qualities?

Can anyone give me an honest truth to these questions.

Do most asian males both asian american and those asian males living in Asian countries which include Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and the People's Republic of China (mainland China) don't have a strong enough personality sufficient enough for dating and having a relationship with a WF?

***I would say it's too simple just to say personality --- it is also S/R Value (hopefully you read up on some of the PUA stuff) before posting on this PUA board.

Do White females have much higher standards than many Asian females especially the fobby asian girls that many asian males can't fulfill?

*** Yes. This should be obvious to you by now. Most AMs do not know anything about evolutionary psychology and have not developed enough status/value etc. to meet the standards. Keep in mind that when we are atlking about WFs I assume you are talking about the HB ones and not the average ones or ugly ones. It is actually not too hard to get a average or below average WF --- the problem is getting the HB WF in which case you have to out-compete others.

Plus besides learning PUA, do asian males have adopt Western standards of Masculinity including those from African American culture in order to game WFs?

*** I would say yes you have to adopt the Western standard if you want a Western girl --- this is obvious. I think it is stupid to adopt the African American stuff because as an Asian --- nobody is going to believe you are Black and want to play basketball and sing rap songs! No matter how Black you think you are --- you will never be more Black than an actual African American. You will just come across as fake.

Does Asian culture is general do not encourage masculine qualities such as athleticism and only institutionalize feminine qualities?

*** Athleticism can only get you so far...unless you are a professional athlete or on your college football team --- this implies you have status. The problem with your line of thinking is that you are identifying too much with a demographic group and are likely to follow that demographic group....whereas in my case I realize I'm in that group BUT I am also responsible for my own success and calling my own shots and determining my own future --- instead of just copying what some low value AMs do and think in general.

Can anyone give me an honest truth to these questions.

*** OK --- now that you have the honest answers to these questions --- what is your Asian brain going to do with it now?

mymeowcat, the HB7.5 WF u described in one of your previous posts seem to fit the characteristics of a stereotypical docile Asian female portrayed in the media.

Can u compare side by side on what Asian HBs (Fobby ones) and White HBs want in guy and show me the differences including personality?

Quoted from Winston Wu's Post:
"NE Asian women in China and Japan are 1000x more feminine than White women are, even those in Europe, in every way. There is no doubt about that. A modern white woman is more rough, thick-skinned and masculine, compared to a typical Asian female. Therefore, a typical super feminine Asian woman is no doubt more naturally suited for an Asian man, who is not as rugged and masculine looking as a White male is."
What is the honest truth about this quote?

Holy crap...

Dudes.

Stop analyzing every situation and possibility of what if and what to do with this situation if this occurs and that occurs.

Just go out and have fun.

I never ceased to be amazed at the rationalizing and endless questioning to avoid a real situation of meeting someone and being in a relationship.

Just admit that you are insecure about meeting women. Once you admit that to yourself and embrace it, it will be easier to go out and be yourself.

I think Winston is simply playing Captain Obvious with his generalizations here... Although he may be somewhat extrapolating from his own personal experience as a short (in more ways than one), Mongoloid-looking, AM - one could say that the AM bell curve as a whole is still shifted over in his direction. And I would seem to agree that biological HORMONAL/PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES DO play a huge role in attraction.

I mean, honestly, rate this guy on a scale of 1-10 for masculinity & looks?

Look, even the ABC wing girls themselves have dated 1 to none AMs themselves!
- Sarah Ann admitted that she strongly prefers tall guys and has only dated 1 AM - Johnny Wolf (who also happens to be like 6' tall and very stocky).
- And Clair Sinclair has never even dated an AM (despite growing up amongst many)!

So I'd say there IS statistically a huge hurdle in general there - of which biological and a whole host of other factors play a role. But, that's why we're all here, isn't it? To learn how to better ourselves and overcome that like JT?? To essentially escape any such biological determinism?

This is just my personal opinion and personal observations.

I agree with you that Winston is far from physically appealing and attractive for ANY male. But, unfortunately, he looks like the majority of my asian guy friends. And none of them are with a beautiful, gorgeous or pretty 'white' woman.

Not saying that it is impossible for an average asian male to hook up with a beautiful white woman for a long term relationship/marriage. It is just highly unlikely.

Heck, even very successful, shorter white guys have a hard time hooking up with a beautiful woman. I don't think it is just an 'asian' male thing.

By and large, men and women are average. Hence, the term average. Way too obvious on that one. Average people are with average people. I have never seen a totally beautiful girl wrapped around the arms of a guy who is hideous and poor. It just doesn't happen. And, I can tell if she is wrapped around his arm while getting into a Ferrari, you damn well know that car isn't hers...yet.

But, also know that the wealthy guy will have that girl for a few years at best. Call her a whore, call her a gold digger. Whatever. The truth of the matter is that name calling is just another form of repressed and disguised jealousy. Hot girl with ugly dude.

As I mentioned, the white wing girls to me are at 'best' average. What does that mean? That my perception is apparently skewed way off.

I am over 6' tall, I take a 44 jacket and have a small waist. My facial features are more western than asian while looking asian. People call this exotic. What is exotic? It is rare. I know it and everyone else does too. I am lucky. Very lucky to be born and blessed with my physical attributes. But I am also extremely educated with an incredible profession. I have read a ton of books and am classically trained in a musical instrument. I am athletic and have an incredible amount of natural charisma and charm.

Please do not get the idea that I am bragging about myself. I am not. I am being brutally honest on what it takes to be with a beautiful woman of whatever ethnicity. Women would love to have it all in one package. Unfortunately, it is extremely rare. Average gets what what average gets. There is nothing wrong with that.

If I have genetic physical blessing along with all the hard work I have put in, my question is, how much work are you (assuming that you are average) going to put in to be on the same level as me? A whole hell of a lot more.

Women will always want and prefer men that are taller than them. It just isn't a conscious decision. It is evolutionary. A large male can be physically more protective and will produce bigger and stronger children which increases offspring success.

My girlfriend is smoking hot. She gets mistaken for some playboy model or actress all the time. It is a compliment to me but it does get tiring when men and women constantly comment about how beautiful she is. Remember what I said on how stupid opening lines on truly beautiful people never work? It is because they have heard it all already. Now, imagine Megan Fox wrapped around your arm. Would you feel comfortable with that? Or would you feel insecure? Do you two look like an odd couple, totally mismatched? Would you be put off with comments like 'wow, why is she with you?'

Just because you want it doesn't mean you should have it. If you want to have a beautiful girl on your arm, can you handle all the social pressures that may come with it?

I do not feel the social pressure of having my beautiful girl next to me. She, on the other hand, notices that asian women constantly give her the stink eye. She tells me because I don't notice it. The look of 'oh, you are taking one of our good ones' is what she tells me. Johnny Wolf noticing people staring at him and Sarah Ann. Well, he is just a male attention whore. And what drives attention seeking is validation of ones insecurity and perceived insignificance in life.

Work hard at improving yourself for yourself. Be the best you can be today and better tomorrow. I don't care if these sound like cliches. If you can't embrace these concepts, you will not be with a worthy girl to be with a non-worthy guy.

So is the percentage of asian males having a hot nonasian girl is pretty much like the chance college athletes making into professional leagues, such as college football player making it to the NFL?