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 Post subject: FR #2 - Dance clubs and hugs
PostPosted: 14 Dec 2011, 01:22 
Hungry Ghost

Joined: 30 Nov 2011, 22:49
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Location: SF Bay Area
Bootcamp Graduate: YES (SF, Nov 2011)
This is another FR that I wrote in my journal earlier and just got around to posting. It's from the same night as Breeze's FR #3 when I went out with him, Helot, another alumni bro, and a non-community friend.

VENUE 1
Set 1
Helot opened a 2-set of Asian girls, and I went in to wing a couple minutes later. My girl was not very receptive, but I tried plowing with high energy. She girl coded to Helot's girl and they started turning around to buy drinks, so we wished them a great night. I should have turned my girl to isolate her better and give Helot more time to work.

Set 2
I saw a blonde HB6.5 at the bar with a guy. He was trying to buy them drinks while periodically turning back to talk with her. This looked like a great opportunity to try AMOGing, so off I went.

A
A-Comp: <direct opener>
HB6.5: (thick accent) Thanks that's nice
A-Comp: I'm A-Comp
HB6.5: I'm HB6.5 (we shake hands, then kind of hold them there while continuing to talk until I eventually let go)
A-Comp: I hear an accent, but I can't tell where it's from
HB6.5: I'm from France

B
We banter back and forth with me using the limited French that I know. Then I find out she is visiting the US on break for 3 weeks. At this point, the guy she is with turns around from the bar.

A-Comp: (to guy with high energy and big smile) Hi! How are you? I'm A-Comp
Guy: (shakes hand) I'm Guy. Are you in school with her?
A-Comp: No, I'm just out with some friends and having fun meeting people
Guy: Oh cool
A-Comp: So how do you guys know each other?
Guy and HB6.5: <something about family friends, and the guy lives here in SF so she is just visiting him>
A-Comp: Cool! (returns focus solely to HB6.5) So how do you like SF?
(Guy ejects himself and turns back towards the bar, nice!)

I chat with HB6.5 more about where else in the US she has visited, and we tell each other about other places we've traveled to. Eventually after at least 5-10 minutes of conversation, I run out of things to talk about and know I should isolate. But she is visiting this country and the other guy is hosting her, so I feel bad about trying to isolate her. I eject myself and say that I'm going to find my friends because I haven't seen them for a while, and I'll come back to say hi later. She was still very receptive at this point. When I ejected, I saw that Guy was with 3 or 4 more dudes. As I was back with my group talking, I noticed Guy and his friends just stood like wallflowers and talked to each other while HB6.5 was off to the side and just sporadically included in the conversation. I didn't have time to re-engage because we decided to head off to the next venue.


VENUE 2
Used direct openers on more than 5 girls, but didn't really get past B. A couple of bad rejections and some nice ones. Also had some random conversations with guys and couples, just being social. Finally towards the end of the night, I open the following 2 sets.

Set 1
2 girls (HBiDoc and HBPhD) standing at the edge of the dance floor talking with each other. I open direct on my target HBiDoc.

A
A-Comp: I think you're really pretty, and I just had to come over and say hi
HBiDoc: AWWWW, THAT'S SO NICE OF YOU <BIG SLOOOOOW HUG> I'm HBiDoc

B and C
I banter a little with both girls, then Helot comes in to wing HBPhd. Helot successully BLPs so that he's standing between the 2 girls with his back towards HBiDoc and me. I talk with HBiDoc some more and find out she is a studying to become an optometrist. Somehow the first thing I think of in response is one of Helot's achievements that would impress her. I mention it, and she starts patting Helot's back with an impressed smile. Helot stays on target and doesn't turn around. At some point, HBPhD comes over and tells HBiDoc that she's sick and wants to go outside. I look at HBPhD and lose my train of thought. She looks like she just got pepper sprayed AND tear-gassed. They leave right away. I'm sure the look on my face did not help. During debrief, Helot reminded me to stay on target and talk up myself (not my wing). I should have number closed HBiDoc before they left, or been assertive and led them outside for some fresh air.


Set 2
Within 5 minutes of leaving the last set, I see a blonde (HBNurse) sitting at the bar with her brunette friend.

A
A-Comp: <kino turn> I saw you from across the room and think you're really pretty. I just had to come over and say hi
HBNurse: THAT IS SOOO NICE OF YOU <BIG SLOOOOOOOW HUG>

Now this is odd. I've opened at least 30-40 sets during bootcamp plus my nights out since. I never got this kind of response until these last 2 sets. Is this a good or bad response? Maybe I was looking exhausted and vulnerable?

B and C
I banter with both girls for a minute, then Helot comes in to wing the friend. I find out HBNurse's profession and we continue talking for a while. The girls eventually girl-code and we say our goodbyes.


What I did right:
- Did ok at my first AMOG attempt in a bar

What I can improve:
- When working with a wingman, isolate my target and work on building her attraction towards ME
- Practice/internalize compliance tests so they come naturally when needed


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 Post subject: Re: FR #2 - Dance clubs and hugs
PostPosted: 16 Dec 2011, 13:50 
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A-Comp,

Good job on your approaches. I can see that you are not letting AA get the best of you and are just approaching.

Dude, NOW what you need to do is run compliance tests!!! You are getting too caught up in the talking game. When you run compliance, that's what you use to measure/gauge whether or not to move on and escalate to the next step. If she is passing your CTs, isolate the girl! You don't need to talk so much with a girl. Just remember that everything you do and say has to lead somewhere. Know what your goal is and aim for it! If a number is what you are going for, then lead the interaction to that. If a kiss is what you're going for, then lead the interaction to that. And so on...

Good luck!



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 Post subject: Re: FR #2 - Dance clubs and hugs
PostPosted: 19 Dec 2011, 00:04 
Hungry Ghost

Joined: 30 Nov 2011, 22:49
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Thanks Mike! Too much talking and staying in B and C was draining (and inefficient!). I will start running compliance tests to move the interaction along.


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