Post subject: Kyle's Beginner's Hell - 30 Day Challenge
Posted: 27 Jul 2010, 16:28
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Joined: 19 Apr 2009, 10:08 Posts: 74 Location: Chicago, IL
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Jul 26, 10
As for a thirst of self-transformation, I've been trying to do everything I could. I moved out of my parents' house. I changed all the clothes in my closet, friends that I hang out the most, and even my career (not recommend). Still, not enough of work done, i.e., consistency is the key.
A few months ago, I decided to move back to campus working in the rental apt business. This time I've armed with different perceptions on life and better social skills, and most importantly, ABC's knowledge. I see opportunities everywhere. Although I have more successes here than I had before in Chicago, I still can't get to the level that I want so bad. Sadly, that's because I got chickened out or slacked off most of the time.
Ok, everybody, I'm hereby to pledge that I'm doing this 30 day challenge starting last night.
I'll do my best to remember the entire interaction. Last night my wing and I went to campus bars. There weren't many people going to bars in the summer. I chickened out most of time, and my AA was high. I figured that I'm afraid of doing mixed sets. Anyway, I maneuvered myself next to this 3 set sitting along the bar counter. Guys around not doing anything. They were just sipping their drinks. I could tell by their expression that they were bored. I ordered my drink and turned to catch eye contact with this half blonde cute chick, HB7. She was my target in the beginning. She smile a bit and said hi. I smiled a bit back and used "text message breakup opener." She responded pretty well and ate up pretty much what I had to follow up with the rest of the routine. We chit chat a bit about what they were out celebrating. I figured that she and the other girl were visiting her friend who goes to school over here, HB6.5. My wing came in and then we got to introduced ourselves. My wing got to occupy the other two.
From the beginning, HB7 was giving me some major IOIs like heavy hair grooming I've ever seen in my sarge experience and good smile and good eye contacts. I could see in my peripheral view that her friend HB6.5 kept checking up on her to see if she was having a good time. Eventually, HB6.5 came over asking HB7 to go restroom, but she stayed. Another IOI. We talked for about 15-20min. I began running out of materials and losing steam. Eventually, She noticed my energy drop and awkward silence. Later on, she just excused herself to go restroom.
Then I switched my target to HB6.5 because she's the one who goes to the school here. Although she was receptive, I think back now that wasn't a smart move at that point. Too late switch target.
We occupied the set for well 45 min. There's more to it. I can't cover every bit of detail. I noticed that I wasn't kinoing enough and when I did kino it wasn't smooth at all. She freaked out a bit. I used "retard people on mars" routine to kino. Bad timing with bad execution.
Going out tonight again. I'll be back!
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If life is easy, there's nothing to remember when you get old. Only there's bitterness for sweetness, tear as well as smile!
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Post subject: Re: Kyle's Beginner's Hell - 30 Day Challenge
Posted: 02 Aug 2010, 11:24
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Jul 27, 10
2nd night into the challenge.
My wing and I went out again to this bar. First set of the night, 4 set of cute blondies chit-chatting in a circle. I went in first. Tapped on two girls' shoulders and followed with a direct opener "Forgive me being forward, I think you guys are ridiculously cute, I had to come over and say hi." They were okay. I think that's because I repeated myself a few times and only be heard by the two on the left side. This is my biggest sticking point. I have a Chinese accent and couldn't project my voice loud and clear enough in the loud environment. Speaking from diaphragm...damn it. Anyone have tips on this. I'll greatly appreciate. My wing came in trying to occupy one of them. At this point, the other two on the right walked away. So a 2 set now. They didn't feel like talking to us. I could tell by their eye movement and body language. They were backing off from us and didn't respond much to what we said. My wing stayed still, so I had to take a step forward and disrupt them talking to each other.
I went on to go direct on a couple more chicks. Their initial reactions were okay. I just didn't come off strong enough to plow through. The best response I got that night was from a blonde short chick. She was in a 3 set with other two Asian sisters. They were dancing on the pole. Other guys just dry humped girls. I tried to do a bit different in hope to have a more solid number-close. I tapped the blonde chick on her arm. She turned and I smiled and waived. She smiled back. I tried to gently grab her hand. She was kinda receptive but she told me she had a boyfriend. I told her that I'd keep my distance, and then I just kinda danced and grinned in front of her. She came over and started asking me questions about school and stuff. I told her "Let's enjoy the moment." She was a bit shy and didn't know what to do because she had a boyfriend. I didn't care if it was true or not. The expression on her was priceless. She had this "I wanted to dance with this guy but I had a boyfriend and my friends were watching."
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If life is easy, there's nothing to remember when you get old. Only there's bitterness for sweetness, tear as well as smile!
loveseeker
Post subject: Re: Kyle's Beginner's Hell - 30 Day Challenge
Posted: 02 Aug 2010, 11:32
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Jul 29, 10
3rd night out
I gotta keep up the posting before I start forgetting all the details. I went direct on a Asian chick for the first time in my sarge experience. She was giving me big IOIs in the opening. She had a big smile on at the same time squeezed my hand and then caress my arm. I didn't return the kino and followed up strong enough. She ejected out after 1 min.
I kept up the direct opening for the rest of the night.
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If life is easy, there's nothing to remember when you get old. Only there's bitterness for sweetness, tear as well as smile!
loveseeker
Post subject: Re: Kyle's Beginner's Hell - 30 Day Challenge
Posted: 02 Aug 2010, 11:32
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Joined: 19 Apr 2009, 10:08 Posts: 74 Location: Chicago, IL
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Jul 30, 10 - 4th night out
We went to a kinda high-end club in the area. I helped my friend pick up a HB9 he's been sarging on my way there. We vibed a bit on the way there. I got lost a bit to find that place. She made fun of me on that because I was an engineer. It's a white party tonight and I just happened to wear a white shirt. I met up with my wing there too, so we all introduced ourselves. 3 guys and 1 girl. My friend is a natural who's very good with girls. My wing and I just left him and HB9 alone pretty much. The dance floor was surrounded by the tables. Most of the people were just sitting and watching over a few of black ladies dancing. My friend just naturally took the dance floor with all the attentions. He knows how to move in this kind of environment. I joined him to learn. Later on, he told me to talk to the HB9 left behind by us. She was sitting by herself in a table. I didn't want to make it that obvious over, so I pretended that I got a text message to reply. On the way over, I chit-chatted with a black lady sitting next to HB9 with "why is everybody wearing fucking white." Mystery's line. I naturally pretended to notice HB9 by herself, so I sat down next to her asking why she didn't join us. She said she didnt like the music, so I asked what kind of music she liked. She said trance and techno. I didn't use any routines. Just vibe. I told her that I didn't like hip-hop and rap that much till I dated a black girl. I rapped a bit to her. She totally lighted up, asking my name again. I responded with a body-rocking and a vibe like "you're totally losing me now." She reacted greatly to get my attention back. She asked my number. Never in life a girl like that asked my number. I brought the energy of the dance floor over to her.
I opened a few sets directly that night. Pretty much I all got shot down. Later on, we spotted a 2 set of Asian girls in proximity. They were definitely checking us out. My natural friend is very good at Asian girls. He went in first. He always hooked the Asian set. He's good-looking, well-built, smooth, cocky and funny. I followed in a bit later with "Have you guys been good to my friend?" I tried to occupy the white dress Asian HB, while he was engaging the black dress Asian HB. She was very shy. She didn't make any eye contact and body-rocked from me. She had a hard time understanding what I had to say. Man I gotta better my resonated voice in loud environments. My friend naturally got both of them into him. I couldn't do much so I wandered off a bit and let my wing and my natural friend sarged them. The black dress HB was into my natural friend already. He did try to mini isolate the black dress HB, but the white dress HB kept following. Although I tried to dance with the white dress HB, she just didn't open up to me. So I went over to hit on the 2 set of a white chubby girl and a short indian girl. I went direct on the white girl. She was into me fast. I closed the space between us. No resistance. I put her hand on my shoulder. Her hand went to my chest. I switched from our handhold to fingerlock. Her short indian girl rushed over and broke us up saying that she's married. I confirmed that with her. I told her that I just kept my distance then.
My wing pointed out that I didn't kino enough on the white dress HB. I realized that I don't kino Asian girls that much.
If life is easy, there's nothing to remember when you get old. Only there's bitterness for sweetness, tear as well as smile!
loveseeker
Post subject: Re: Kyle's Beginner's Hell - 30 Day Challenge
Posted: 03 Aug 2010, 13:15
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Jul 31, 10 - 5th night out
This is what happen when I don't keep up with the posting. I drank a bit over that night and can't remember all the details at this point. Basically I went direct the whole night, but couldn't hook a single set. My natural friend brought another new girl over getting her all hot up before he brought her back home. That's his routine. He meets and sarges them up before clubbing game. He gets Asian girls like breakfast. The fact that he has a girlfriend just makes him even more attractive and challenging in eyes of other girls. People want what they can't have. Simply human nature. He plays that card so well that he gets at least one week lay. This is what I call game.
Changing game plan, I should try day game. Building up attraction before bringing girls to clubs.
If life is easy, there's nothing to remember when you get old. Only there's bitterness for sweetness, tear as well as smile!
loveseeker
Post subject: Re: Kyle's Beginner's Hell - 30 Day Challenge
Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 11:21
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Aug 6th, 10 - 6th night out
I've been not consistent again lately. It's been almost a week before going back out simply because my wing or friends couldn't make it out with me. I've been fed up with this area of my life. I just want to get it over with ASAP. Just being out more and meeting more people recently, I feel like getting a girl is not that hard as I thought before, but getting the girlfriend you honestly like and keeping her is still out of my scope. It all comes down to how you live your life. The game is a performance-based after all.
So I went out by myself for the first time that night. Something out of my comfort zone for a quite while. I felt a bit weird and a sense of lost. For a first time, I didn't know where to stand. I tried to pretend busy texting and checking my phone. I began to try to warm up by chatting up with guys around. Somewhat, I just couldn't bring up my energy to vibe with them. I still have a hard time shooting with guys in general.
Eventually I bumped into a guy that I met over forum years ago. We used to go out together in the beginning when I started learning PU. Sadly, he's still the same and says to me "I'd just like to watch you doing this." He did just standing there the entire time or snooping around the dance floor.
On the other hand, I was being AFC too. I didn't open a set until after the bar was closed. I opened up this 3 set near by talking with a direct opener. The initial reaction was good since obviously they had a pretty good time earlier. This time I tried to make eye-contact with all 3 of them when I deliver. The 2 black girls were receptive while the latino girl was a bit cold. Obstacle. General interaction was that I began to engage receptive ones, and kinda ignoring the cold one. It usually ends up with the cold one pulling her away or dragging down the interaction. I've already watched that coming again, so I tried to make eye-contact with the cold latino girl and bring her in too. This is something that I couldn't do as well as my natural friends do, i.e. talking to more than 2 girls simultaneously.
The lesson learned is that going out alone is not that bad. Your timing can't depend on other people's timing. I need to be more playful and no slouching and head up.
If life is easy, there's nothing to remember when you get old. Only there's bitterness for sweetness, tear as well as smile!
loveseeker
Post subject: Re: Kyle's Beginner's Hell - 30 Day Challenge
Posted: 08 Aug 2010, 12:36
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Aug 7th, 10 - 7th night out
As usual I went out with my natural friend. I bumped into my AFC friend from last night again who bought me free drinks. That's so kind of him. I tried to get him to do something but no. I went direct on a few sets. The result was still pretty much the same. I engaged them for a while and then they promised to come back by ejecting to go bathroom or to find their friends. Of course, they'll never come back.
First 2 set couldn't hear what I had to say because I couldn't project my voice over the music there.
Second 2 set was going well but my friends weren't doing anything. I had to go back and forth engaging both girls. Both of them seemed like opening up to me. That was just on the surface or they might be just being polite. I found that out in a bit while when they told us that they would come back. They never did, and even they did come back. They avoided us by taking a different route.
Third 2 set. The direct opener got me about 10 sec to engage them, and then they pretty much ignored me.
Fourth 1 set and then join by her friend. They didn't feel like talking to me that much. Not much eye contact or facial expression.
Pretty much I direct opened all 2 sets and then said "you guys have a good vibe and dynamic together like you've known each other forever." They might tell me that they do because they've been friends whether for a long time or not. "so do you guys have a same crush on a same actor?" Not usually hooked tho. I went on to bust out another routine line on the obstacle about my target "she's got that look about her, like you were the one who held her back while she was vomiting." This line works pretty good in most situations. I went on to ask if they go to school here or they're from around here. I followed up to cold-read on one of them with "you seem like you'd be a teacher." Something like that to guess their major. I just then vibed in hope to hook them.
My natural friend is offering to help wing me. Of course, he's the only guy that I know on campus is having a totally different mindset. Abundant mentality. Cock and funny. The result is popularity. He provides such a good reference. I wish I could dance.
I'm going out tonight even if I have to go solo again.
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If life is easy, there's nothing to remember when you get old. Only there's bitterness for sweetness, tear as well as smile!
Nivek
Post subject: Re: Kyle's Beginner's Hell - 30 Day Challenge
Posted: 10 Aug 2010, 19:00
Hungry Ghost
Joined: 31 Oct 2007, 11:50 Posts: 6 Location: UNC
Don't get discouraged.. remember.. you have NO CHOICE but to go out there and do this. And I know you will find success.
Like you, I also struggle to project my voice in clubs.. I feel like if i can get the girl to hear what I have to say without leaning in and bowing to them so that they can hear me.. i would be much more successful. Any suggestions of what I can do?? One of my buddies told me to just rap/sing loudly in the car with the music.
Skillz
Post subject: Re: Kyle's Beginner's Hell - 30 Day Challenge
Posted: 11 Aug 2010, 12:31
Koi Fish
Joined: 15 Jul 2010, 08:25 Posts: 13
hey man, you're doing great! its all progress, just think awhile back if you had the balls to even open a set or even entertain the thought of trying to open a set. persistence is key and you'll own this game if you keep doing what you're doing.
loveseeker
Post subject: Re: Kyle's Beginner's Hell - 30 Day Challenge
Posted: 15 Aug 2010, 20:08
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Joined: 19 Apr 2009, 10:08 Posts: 74 Location: Chicago, IL
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Aug 9th, 10 - 8th night out Out sarge with a buddy from Chicago
Aug 10th, 10 - 9th night out Out with my wing. The bars were pretty much dead.
Aug 11th, 10 - 10th night out Out with my wing's girl. Wing girl makes easier. Easier to warm up and faster to get in state.
Aug 12th, 10 - 11th night out Out hanging with my wing and his girl. Also His girl's lesbian friend but looking to go back straight. She's bi. She wasn't feeling me.
Aug 13th, 10 - 12th night out Out attending the wedding and party of my friend. Sarging among a couple AFCs for a couple of very cute Japanese girls who don't speak much English.
Aug 14th, 10 - 13th night out Out celebrating the wedding for my friend. They're very friendly, especially the married one is flirty, but the language barrier.
Just keep it update that I'm still doing the challenge. Even though I can't do it in a 30 day straight, I'm spanning out the time. I've been definitely slacking on all FR postings. Now I can't remember much on the detail of how the nights went. I try to fill in more detail later.
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