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 Post subject: Re: Ed's 30 Day Direct Challenge
PostPosted: 02 May 2011, 12:05 
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Question though: Do you tend to approach from the front or the back?


When going direct, as much as possible I almost always try to approach from the front.

Sometimes there are exceptions, especially if I see the girl and she walks right past me. In this case, what I do is chase after her and I still kino her on the shoulder. Sometimes the girl gets startled and sometimes she doesn't (I haven't met a girl pepper spray me yet. lol). If she gets startled, what I do to save it is continue with my direct opener but be VERY warm about it. Give her warm eye contact with an easy smile. Kino once more on the arm (this time I do it in the area between the shoulder and elbow) to let her know you don't mean her any harm, then slightly step over her path (kind of a BLP) so she is now directly facing you. From there, lead conversation and keep it positive. I found that the key to disarming her is in the delivery of your direct opener.



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 Post subject: Re: Ed's 30 Day Direct Challenge
PostPosted: 11 May 2011, 10:52 
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Thirty Day Direct Challenge - May 2 to 10 - Day 19 to 27

Remember when I said day game is getting easier? For the most part it is true. But boy do women have a way of humbling you :) At this point, I know that I have to do everything exactly perfect in order to secure a day 2. This means...

1. During the initial approach:
a. Perfect kino turn from the back.
b. Relaxed body language.
c. Slow down speech and add in pauses.
d. Kino while making points while speaking.
e. Must make the girl laugh + add in other BT spikes (e.g. hi5, fist pounds, etc)
2. After # close:
a. Text her on the same day with some joke about the earlier interaction.
b. Banter and suggest meeting up for shopping (or another low key activity).

Notes:
1. What helps the approach stick is your appearance (i.e. grooming, fashion.)
2. In order to cut down text banter, I still need to time bridge during the initial interaction.
3. Also will be working on lengthening the interaction in order to make the day 2 more solid or head for an instant date.
4. If I do get blown out, try to end off on a high (e.g. hug it out). The purpose of this is to still give a positive image of Asian guys to women so that helps out any other Asian guy who approaches her.

Monday May 2, 2011
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Location: Yorkdale
Set #1 - Ginger HB7 (Blowout: Was going to meet up with bf. Saw her again with her bf.)
Set #2 - Blonde HB8 (Blowout: Has a bf)

Set #3 - Brunette HB9.5 (Renee - looks like Monique from ANTM 16)
Approach
My wing and I were walking past Victoria Secret when we saw this smokin hot brunette walk right past us. It was the kind of girl that would make any man wonder if he has the balls to even say hi to her. I hesitated a bit but ended up saying 'fuck it' and approached her. She opened up well but looked like she was in a rush. She was. She was heading to work at Victoria Secret. I said I was also in a rush and had to get back to my friend. So she gave me her #.

This all happened in a span of about 1min. It was my fastest # close ever. However, I felt that it was not a solid close. So I was hungry for more approaches.

What I did right
Grew balls and approached.
Kino turn.
Kept things light.

What I did wrong
Nothing really.

What I learned
When in doubt, just go and approach.

Set #4 - Blonde HB8 (Blowout: Bad kino turn. Said she had no time.)
Set #5 - Blonde HB9 (Blowout: Meeting up with bf)
Set #6 - Brunette HB8 (Sajeda)
Approach
Having gone through most of the time without any solid closes, I did not want to leave until I got one. I saw HB8 walking past me. I approached and went direct. She smiled but still seemed so shocked at the directness. I kept on talking..

Banter/BT
I asked her what she was doing. She said she was shopping. I told her I was with my friend but had to come talk with her. I don't know how the conversation got to this but I found out she grew up in Michigan. This lead me to talk about my time in Cali. I snuck in a high 5 and felt her hand cling into mine, which was a good IOI. I # closed her and hugged it out.

What I did right
Did not quit until I got the result I wanted.
Kino turn.
Kept things light.
Kept talking even though I felt she was not giving much the interaction.

What I did wrong
Nothing really.

What I learned
Just keep going.

Tuesday May 3, 2011
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Location: Fairview
Set #1 - Brunette HB8 (Blow out: Got her while texting which lead to a weak kino turn.)
Set #2 - Brunette HB8 (Blow out: Opened well but ejected.)

Note: Honestly, I did the approaches just for the sake of approaching. That day I wanted to just do the required approach and head downtown to attend a talk that Zan Perrion was doing.

Wednesday May 4, 2011
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Location: Yonge/Dundas
Set #1 - Brunette HB7 bf (Blow out: Everything was off because I was nervous.)
Set #2 - Blonde HB8 (Blow out: Good response but she was on her way to her bf's house.)

Note: I was solo sarging that day. I realize that having a good wing is so important. Otherwise, you're in your head in between sets.

Thursday May 5, 2011
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Location: Eaton Centre
Set #1 - Blonde HB7 (Blow out: Weak kino turn.)

Location: Yonge/Shuter
Set #2 - Brunette HB7 (Victoria)
Approach
Approached and went direct.

Banter/BT
I asked her what she was doing. She said she just came from an interview and was currently shopping for a gift. I told her I was with my friend but had to come talk with her. During the # exchange I teased her about having a BB, since I had an iPhone, which is a superior choice. I left off hugging it out with her.

After leaving her, she text me right away and asked "You randomly stop people often? :p".. I text back by saying "If she's cute, named Victoria and has a BB, then, yes, all the time ;)".. This back and for texting lead to a day two with her. (More later.)

What I did right
Came in with higher energy than what I have been doing for the past couple of days. I noticed that I was approaching women without proper intent. I changed that with Victoria.
Kino turn.
Kept things light.
Kept talking even though I felt she was not giving much the interaction.
Kino'd while talking

What I did wrong
Nothing really.

What I learned
In the field, you will hit rough spots where you don't know what the hell you're doing wrong. You need to always re-evaluate what you're doing so that you get the results that you want.

Location: Yonge/Shuter
Set #3 - Asian HB7
Approach
Right after Victoria I spotted a woman with a great ass. I approached and went direct - saying I think she is beautiful. Her initial reaction was "How could you tell from the back?". I said "I actually saw you from over there" and pointed to a place where I could've seen her from the side. She was flattered but said she has a bf... Since I'm not big into Asians, I said "That's totally fine. It still doesn't change the fact that I think you're awesome. Have a great day." and ejected.

What I did right
Came in stronger than what I have been doing for the past couple of days.
Kino turn.
Kept things light.
Kino'd while talking.

What I did wrong
Nothing really.

What I learned
I approached the Asian because of initial attraction. However, I don't need to try to win her over in set when I'm not feeling it.

Set #4 - Brunette HB8 (Blowout: Did not approach with intent.)
Set #5 - Brunette HB7 (Blowout - Irish: Did not approach her properly - i.e. she was fidgeting with her bike and was ready to leave)
Set #6 - Blonde HB7 (Blowout: Opened well, but has a bf.)
Set #7 - Brunette HB7 (Blowout: Opened well, but bf.)
Set #8 - Brunette HB9 (Blowout - model: Got nervous. Bad kino turn.)
Set #9 - Brunette HB8 (Blowout: Bad kino turn.)
Set #10 - Blonde HB8 (Blowout: Opened extremely well. She said she was seeing someone but kept on pushing. Could not get past but left on a high - hugged.)
Set #11 - Blonde HB9 (Blowout: Opened while completely relaxed said to her "I was enjoying this delicious cup of water over there and decided to come talk to you". She smiled but had to rush away.)

Notes - Sets 4 to 11:
a. As the day went on, I cared less and less what others thought.
b. Kept on working through the blowouts because I feel they were a result of poor habits developed in the previous day's "weak" approaches.

Friday May 6, 2011
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Location: Front/Church
Set #1 - Blonde HB7
Approach
Throughout the week I was texting and talking with Sajeda. I had set up a Day 2 with her. However, I was still on the 30 day direct challenge. So right before I met up with her, I had to do an approach. I saw HB7 texting while walking towards me. I approached and went direct. She said she had a bf. I said "Cool, have a great day." => DONE!

Day 2 - Sajeda
Summary of Date
1. Met up at Hot House Cafe
a. I tend to avoid dinner dates at all cost but this one was unavoidable.
b. I made the reservations and requested a table where we had to sit adjacent to each other. The person on the phone said sure, but still put us at a table where I had to sit across from her => FML.
2. Conversation was good and I kino'd as much as I could during conversation highlights.
3. I shut up a couple of times and let her initiate conversation. She did and asked a lot of questions => IOI.
4. After dinner she suggested that we hang out some more by walking through the neighbourhood.
5. While walking I kino'd more and did the elephant.
6. Conversation was light and flowed naturally.. I basically dropped any gaming at this point.
7. After about an hour or so, I walked her to King subway and K Closed.

Venues:
Hot House Cafe
Streets

Saturday May 7, 2011
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Set #1 - Brunette HB6 (Blowout: Startled her.)
Set #2 - Brunette HB7 (Blowout: Was nervous => translated into weak tonality and body language.)
Set #3 - Blonde HB8 (Open really well. However, she is married. Left on a high though - hug)
Set #4 - Brunette HB8 (Blowout: Startled her.)
Set #4 - Blonde HB7 (Good open but has a bf.)

Location: Yonge/Shuter
Set #5 - Blonde HB7 (Amber)
Approach
I directly approached HB8. She opened up really well with a big smile.

Banter/BT
The interaction was really short. Basically, I asked her what she was doing. She said she's shopping. I told her I had to get back to my friends and # closed her. Nothing more than that.

What I did right
Had right amount of energy/intent.
Kino turn.
Kino'd while talking.
Kept body language relaxed.

What I did wrong
Need to push the interaction more

What I learned
Need to push the interaction more

Set #6 - Brunette HB7 (Good open but has a bf.)

Sunday May 8, 2011
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Location: Queen/Bay
Set #1 - Brunette HB8
Approach
While walking to Eaton Centre, I directly approached HB8. She opened up really well with a big smile.

Banter/BT
I asked her what she was doing. She said she's shopping but she's only in town until Tuesday. She was visiting from Paris. Even though I would not contact her later, I still went for the close. Of course she didn't have a local phone with her, so she gave me her name to look up on FB. (Weak close.) I hugged her goodbye.

What I did right
Had right amount of energy/intent.
Kino turn.
Kept things light.
Kino'd while talking.
Kept body language relaxed.

What I did wrong
Need to push the interaction more

What I learned
Throughout the week I was getting blown out more than usual. I still kept on going to get the results I wanted.

Location: Eaton Centre
Set #2 - Brunette HB7
Approach
While walking through Eaton Centre, I saw this woman with black hair and piercing blue eyes. Her features immediately caught my eye. I approached her directly. She looked overwhelmed but enjoyed the complement.

Banter/BT
I talked to her about what she was up to today. I told her I just left my friends for a bit to come talk to her. Also, I found out she's a teacher. We exchanged numbers. Before I hugged her goodbye, she said that if I was free later on that night, we should go for drinks. I said okay and hugged her goodbye.

What I did right
Had right amount of energy/intent.
Kino turn.
Kept things light.
Kino'd while talking.
Kept body language relaxed.

What I did wrong
Need to push the interaction more

What I learned
Still need to expand the interaction. I'm just going for # closes, which is okay. But I need to make them more solid.

Set #3 - Indian HB5 (Blowout: Built up static charge while walking up to her. Shocked her on Kino turn.)
Set #4 - Brunette (Russian HB8 cold but warmed up
Approach
I approached HB8 directly. She did not open up warmly. Also, she had her feet pointed away from me. I still kept going...

Banter/BT
I talked to her about what she was up to. It lead to talking about Eaton Centre and Toronto in general, since she was not originally from Toronto - she had a thick Russian accent. I could see that she got more engaged in the conversation because she squared up to me and her body language became more relaxed. I then took the opportunity to # close her. However, she said she had a bf. I tested it by saying "Cool.. So how long have you been going out?" She said a couple of months, but I had a sense she was lying... I pushed as much as I could but in the end I said it was nice to meet her and hugged her goodbye.

What I did right
Had right amount of energy/intent.
Kino turn.
Kept things light.
Kino'd while talking.
Kept body language relaxed.
Kept pushing to lengthen the interaction

What I did wrong
Need to push the interaction more

What I learned
Still need to expand the interaction. I'm just going for # closes, which is okay. But I need to make them more solid.

Set #5 - Brunette HB8 (Opened well but found out she is 17. Ejected after that.)
Set #6 - Brunette HB9 (Opened well but not a strong close => FB close)

Monday May 9, 2011
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Day 2 - Victoria
Throughout the week I was texting with Victoria. I had set up a Day 2 with her to go shopping. Unfortunately, I ran out of time while hanging out with her. So I didn't do any approaches this day.

Summary of Date
1. Met up at Eaton Centre.
2. Conversation was okay. Found out a lot of things about her personality that I did not like..
a. She's very random.
b. Lacks focus in her life.
c. Has sort of a geeky/immature vibe to her.
3. We did click on our excitement over entrepreneurship. She is trying to start up her own soccer camp and I instantly clicked with that. I talked more about my company and how I got into starting it up.
4. Close the beginning of the meet up, I really felt that she could be more of a friend.. So I am going to transition her into one.

Venues:
Eaton Centre
Streets
Chipotle

Tuesday May 10, 2011
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Day 3 - Sajeda
Throughout the week I was texting and talking with Sajeda. I had set up a Day 3 with her to go shopping and go eat ice cream cake that was provided by Dairy Queen's attempt at getting into Guinness by making the largest ice cream cake. Unfortunately, I ran out of time while hanging out with her. So I didn't do any approaches this day.

Summary of Date
1. Met up at Eaton Centre (Start: 12:45pm).
2. Started off on the wrong foot because I ended up meeting her a little late. We got outside and the line up for the cake was enormous. So I decided to go to Marche for ice cream.
3. As we walked, conversation flowed more. I could tell she was still a little miffed about me showing up late. However, she started opening up.
4. It got much better at Marche. At this point, we got more into comfort and cracked inside jokes.
5. The next few hours flowed really well.
a. Conversation was very stream-of-consciousness
b. We stopped at multiple places: U of T tour, Second Cup, some shops.
6. We ended up walking to St. George stn and taking the subway (End: 7:30pm)

Note:
1. The whole date, I turned off any gaming.
2. When we were at Second Cup, two dudes sitting next to us tried opening Sajeda indirectly by asking her if she thought one of the guy's shirt was red or orange. I answered, it looks completely red. Sajeda also gave a more involved answer. Shortly after I engaged her again by continuing on with what we were talking about - AMOGs squashed.
2. I was supposed to call Jenn (the teacher) to set up a shopping day but I didn't feel like it. It may turn out to be a bad move but oh well.

Venues:
Eaton Centre
Streets
Marche
Second Cup
U of T campus
Subway


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 Post subject: Re: Ed's 30 Day Direct Challenge
PostPosted: 11 May 2011, 19:10 
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Thirty Day Direct Challenge - May 11 - Day 28

Today I was busy with errands and work. My day finished at around 7:30pm and I was like "fuck" I still haven't approached. I have already been on a 2 day streak of not approaching. So I did not want it to continue. So I did a quick approach...

Location: Fairview Mall
Set #1 - Blonde HB6
Approach
I approached and kino turned her. After she took out her headphones, I went direct on her. She was like "Oh" and started smiling.

Banter/BT
I asked her what she was up to. She said she was heading home. I said I was doing the same thing. I complemented her on the style of her sunglasses, since it is so unique. She said thanks and said she liked them too because she wanted something that was different from everyone else.

I then started walking with her, which is a no-no. I said I was looking for a cool pair of glasses and asked her what she thought would look good on me. She said anything but aviators. At that point it was getting weird that I was walking and talking with her... So I then said, actually, I'm headed the other direction. I need to go but would like to stay in touch with you. She said thanks but she would rather not. I said ok and told her to have a good day.

What I did right
Kino turn
Good body language when talking to her while stationary

What I did wrong
Walked with her => it quickly became awkward

What I learned
Still need to work on smoothly lengthening the interaction


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