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 Post subject: Day ???
PostPosted: 11 Mar 2010, 15:57 
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Okay so up to this point I have not been able to keep track of my 30 day challenge. Anyway it has been a long and interesting road for me. I met JT and he gave me really good feedback about my game.

This didnt just happen to me just one night but it happened to me on 2 different weekends on which I broke down my game. (I will write a review soon don't worry)

So I was in Chicago 2 weekends ago. JT told me that with my game I go up and down. Normally I get good responses from girls and when they do respond good I act like I am a 9 BUT if I get blown out consistently I start dropping down to a 5 and start acting needy and having bad body language etc. So anyway the two occasions that happend...

Chicago:

The 2nd night the goal was to isolate to our homefire. That night I was on fire! I would say 80% of sets hooked and 20% I got blown out. At that point I didnt give a fuck and was like whatever so I was on a high and acted like a 9 the whole night. So then the next night I was getting blown out like crazy! Left and right none of my sets were hooking at all. Only a few but that night I felt like crap.

Now fast forward to Dallas:

So I go to Dallas and this time it is just my wing and I (no JT or anything) Friday night I go to Deux I got there about 1045pm. I chill out by the bar with my wing bsing with each other to look like we are in set and not just lurking for sets. So I see a 3 set opened and I hook and I was able to isolate a girl to a near by sofa. We chat for about 20mins or so it was going well. That night I isolated 2 girls most of the time they were like a 2 set so it was hard to isolate but it hooks and I chat with them for a bit. It was a good night and I was on fire that night.

So next night

I go out to Uptown and hit up some bars just to warm up and stuff. Sets were not hooking at all. Some were calling me out etc for my game. That point I was like shit I gotta keep acting like a 9 but in my mind I need to let me ego go and set it aside. Its easier said than done. So that night I only hooked about one set and the whole night I was getting yellow to red lights that night.

So I asked my wing to break me down from his point of view.

Friday when I was hooking: My facial expressions were really animated, good body language, smiling most of the time

Sat when it was going shitty - I was leaning in, getting needy, not smiling as much, all in my head

So what I really need to work on is to keep brusing it off and have it in my mind that I dont give a fuck and set my ego aside.

So new topic

Last night what I told myself was that I need to be more animated. So I tried it and my sets were hooking but then I was getting a lot of cockblocks, interrupts, no table to isolate but I was still trucking along. I need to be more consistant with my game and work on it.

I was getting some comments from girls like "where you from" as in you are not the typical guy that hits on them. I said LA for fun and they were like no wonder you're really cool lol. Anyway I need to work on more being dominant.

Ill start posting FRs again consistently! Other than that time to rock out tonight baby!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Day ???
PostPosted: 11 Mar 2010, 20:18 
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Your game is fluctuating from good to bad because you are not an internally validated person and in alignment with your core.

First off, in every interaction, there is one person who is reacting more to the other person. The person who is reacting less is the one that is perceived to have more value, therefore, is more attractive.
If you open a set and the girl is giving you tons of negativity and you go into your head with "I need to be a 9 and be more animated," who is reacting to who? Your reacting to the girls.
Also, when your emotional state crashes and you feel like shit because your getting blown out, your reacting to the girls.
Your getting that state crash because your attaching an ego to the girl liking you--You wanna validate this "I"m a pick up guy" identity. Your also getting a state crash because you are OUTCOME dependent.

So, next time you go into a set, do not become dependent on the outcome--but also keep on pushing it forward, both verbally and physically.
The mentality is: "Hey, your cute but I dont care if you dont like me."

cool thing is that when you give up on the outcome, more of your sets will hook because the girls can see that you approached them from a GENUINE and AUTHENTIC stand point and not a value taking "I need to validate my identity" stand point.



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 Post subject: Re: Day ???
PostPosted: 12 Mar 2010, 09:25 
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I was just going to say pretty much what konstantine just said.

You are not talking to these girls because you like them and hopefully they like you. You should come from the mindset that you have a genuine love of beautiful women and you genuinely want to connect with them. You are simply a man acting on that desire. That is more important than how the girl reacts to you. In doing so, you have to believe that you are adding value to their lives, and if they are not down with it, I feel sorry for them.

If you really are a man that adds no value to women, that's something you work on outside the nightclub (cool hobbies/lifestyle, gym, clothing, social circles, financial status, experiences).



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 Post subject: Re: Day ???
PostPosted: 13 Mar 2010, 11:11 
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I once tried Speed Seduction (by Ross Jeffries) years ago and went out opening every girl/set in a bar and kept on doing it. Problem is that SS does not seem to work but I had confidence ect to keep going. One thing I found was that it got to a point where I’ve run out of new girls to open!! I discovered I was playing more numbers game than solid game. I just kept with the same opener / routine and hoping something would hook and a certain percentage might like me. You can also spoil the room if everyone sees you getting blown out…massive DLV. You might even run into these people at other venues and if it was from a failed set --- it might bring back all sorts of negative emotions.

Fast forward to present day --- some things I learned / changed are:

1) When I notice a set entering a bar --- I give the girls about 1 hour before I open…this way they have some time to finish up their business and convo.
2) I pick sets that are not engaged in anything intense…I don’t want to open when they are arguing, just came from a funeral etc.
3) After you get over Approach Anxiety…the problem is not opening but rather what you say/do next. Once you get comfortable with opening it is easy to just keep at opening other sets without going deeper or getting to the closing phase.
4) These days I do not just open any set --- I’m a bit smarter. On a night out I might open maximum 3 sets…this is because the set opens and they welcome you in and the HB wants you to stay in. Once I am in --- I transition into the next phases which can be very stressing for Asian PUA inner game! Example: I often get White girls testing me (to if I was worth falling in love with) by bringing up the baby topic. This is highly stressing for the Asian PUA mind because I was just focussing on overcoming AA but now there is White girl who wants to have kids with you! Now that I am more experienced ---I only run my baby naming routine If I am really into the girl.
5) There are sets I open to get warmed up and there are sets I open because I want to develop social proof and there are sets I open because I like the HBs and targets: I especially would transition into the next phase with ones with targets rather than habitually moving to opening another set (unless you are attempting to do a jealousy routine).
6 ) I am starting to incorporate kino and banter into my opening and my game in general. I was finding many girls won’t sit and listen to a long 1 minute attraction story so I get my DHV and attraction stories to 15 second bullet point stuff or banter. I find myself having more fun if I think of all this as an “experiment” rather than just running routines hoping for a very specific outcome.


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