After talking to funloveteddybear I decided to do this challenge. Why? Well why not. I'm actually giving value to a girl by a sincere compliment in who she is. I actually think I am high value guy who can give value. (I remember this advice from Quality. )
The NY crew that are friends with me know that I prefer Asian (mostly Korean) girls but I decided that there is no harm in approaching and complimenting non-Asian girls. So I stick to the direct challenge but I will push myself to approach non-Asian girls. Doing this for fun and the experience. If I fail in any approach for the next 30 days. I owe that money to Funloveteddybear.
I will start on April 1 since it will be a new month. I like to see what type growth i will get.
I owe $10 bucks . (On a side note I prefer to pay everything on the last 30th day.)
What happened? Was kind of sick and it was raining. Still I went out around my area. Nothing that I saw I wanted to go direct on. I actually thought about opening some MILF but I asked myself is it because I just don't want to pay the $10 bucks. ....if I have more days where I miss out I could see myself just opening just to avoid paying up.
day 2 of the 30 day challenge and counting...
Ok....after work went to Barnes and Nobles ..saw a cute girl checking out the post card and just went direct.
me: 'I think your cute . That is why I have to meet you. My name is reformation. " I extend my hand for hand shake. Her:(takes off her ear phones ) 'hello' me:' Hi ..my name is reformation ..I came over here to say hi because your cute..What's your name ?" her: ' my name is #####". me: 'cool....let me guess your a college student? ' ( around this area you meet allot of college students.) her:' no..I'm a tourist." me: 'wow ..from where..?' her:" I'm from ####." me: interesting I never been there. I like to visit your country someday. The only place I been to is South Korea and I also visit Thailand.
Ok the rest of the dialogue I couldn't remember. We did mostly fluff talk. I wanted to see if I could of done a inst-date but no go. I tried to number close but because she was a tourist she had no phone. I should of plowed more but sense there was no attraction. I ejected.
anyway..I'm starting slow...I'm just warming up...haha.
Been busy with work and life in general that I'm just going to give a quick re-cap of what happened.
day 3 of the 30 day challenge I actually had a date already on this night. It went well. I got her back to my place but I did get not laid but it was still good.
Here is some advice if you can get the girl back to your place the first time but she resist you don't worry she is just not ready yet because if there is a future date and the next time you get her back into your place you know that something can happen.
Day 4 of the 30 day challenge.
Another date with a different girl that I did street approach before I even started this challenge. It's kind of weird but sometimes those spontaneous pick up works out fine.
day 5 of the 30 day challenge
I did some street approaches but nothing stick. I think my state was off and my timing. It just didn't go well.
I had another date set up for today. This is a girl who i number close on the day before I even started this challenge so yes I was really busy before this started.
Some key issues. When I first approach her I thought she was closer to my age (she looks mature for her age). I am 32 years old. I find out that she is 21 years old . ( i thought she was 25 maybe 26.)
That actually mess me up. The reason why is when you meet someone little older they have more life experience with more life experience you can connect more. Plus older woman know themselves more and know what they want . I know this doesn't happen all the time but usually that is the case. Sometimes you might meet a young girl who may have her shit together.
Anyway, I assume there is attraction since she came out to see me. We only had a coffee date because she has to take the train back to her Aunt house . Her Aunt set a curfew and what time she has to get back. haha
So anyway, from my experience with young girls they usually want to have fun or just do fun activities . However, I think this one was little more serious. So instead I started with some banter but I think I the A-B stages was passed and I am set for the C-stage. So instead I went to comfort and connect.
Typically for me I find that if you open up first the other person opens up to. I usually tell them my story and who I am. We spoke about each other back ground and I tried to connect there.
here is the break down according to ABC structure.
A: I assumed attraction and the frame was set that way because she did come out for day 2. B: I think it helps to banter or tease to keep things light but calibrate according to the girl. Some girls you have to do more . The girl I was with i didn't have to as much. (some of the attraction switch and the DHV I use.) The attraction switch I use here was being the experience man since I was one over her. The stories I told her was from my experiences. I also use financial status as a attraction switch and told her stories of my travels and future travels. I also used sexual safety story with embedding pre selection.
Comfort : was me opening up with my story and spoke about family ..goals have her open up.. (Always ask her what's her goal in life is ? ) connect: with some of the stuff she is saying.
anyway...the date was short because of her curfew.
What I did wrong..not enough Kino....and I ask myself do I see myself being with this girl. The answer was kind of like no so that is why I was too gun shy to go Direct interest.
I think that is why I didn't kino. In any case I can get another date from her because there is some interest but it's really my call.
I saw a cute girl walk right in front of me as I was walking up the block. Some AA creep in but I got mad . I walk right next to her and did the shoulder touch (which you learn if you take the boot camp.)
Approach : me: excuse me , I know this seems weird but I just have to say this . If not I would kick myself in the butt. I just think your really cute and I just have to meet you. "hi, my name is reformation ?" ( extend my hand for hand sake . I also quickly BLP myself in front of her so couldn't walk away. )
( all in all to make this work you have to have dominate frame and don't care what others think of you.)
her:" (she was surprise and startled . From my experience this is when you have to show her reality in other words your not some creepy dude . )
Me: I know this is weird for me just to come right up to you but I just had to say that your cute. .
her: (she shook my hand ) hi....I have to go..
(maintain dominate frame.)
me: cool so do I . I'm actually heading back to work . I work for xyz and I do account executive work. One of the cool things about my job is meeting interesting people and to travel sometimes. For example right now I meeting someone new and don't you think it's great ..(I didn't wait for a response instead i just kept talking because I knew this girl was in a hurry so i had to move quicker) which reminds me last week I traveled to Connecticut to meet some corporate executive but it wasn't meeting the executive that was interesting but the actually travel. We were on the high way and it was raining so hard I was little worry that we might get into a accident. I mean it was like a monsoon all of sudden. (I forgot what I said next ..I just ran mouth this time) so where are you off too.
Her:"I have to meet my friend ."
B stage of the interaction: me: let me guess your meeting your friends to go study for the CPA exam." ( this is like kind of BT spike)
her" huh (laughing ) no ..I have to meeting my friends to ( I interrupt her this can be dangerous sometimes you can come out like a dick but it's the way you say it .If you say it in a warm fun way it can work ...)
me:"shopping ..for real..let me guess (little bit of cold reading and bantering all in one) your shopping to for new shoes. How fun?" ( i said this in a funny way.)
her:'( this time she has little smile on her face.) No...I have to meet my friends to help pack up.
///anyway....long story short she was helping her friends to move to a new place...
Even though she was in a hurry we ended up talking for 5 mins. I did number close her. What work was too maintain warm dominate frame and to keep things fun.
This is a direct approach so I think your frame is very important. The down side is I didn't work enough on comfort so she might flake out but who cares.
I did some street approaches but did not follow through. Most of my approaches were like..
me." Hi ..I just have to say your really cute." her: oh thanks' me:cool I hope this made your day.
I just wanted to work on giving a sincerely compliment and nothing more.
day 10 of the 30 day challenges
I was with some girl that I dated previously. I already dated this girl and was able to bring her back to my place. Let say I went the distance with this one. Not too sure if I want to make her my new girl friend or not. She is OK and I'm still not done with the 30 day challenge. I think because I already have a couple girls around me it did effect my motivation in sarging.
day 11 of the 30 day challenges
Was with another girl who I also dated before last week. Quick re-cap.. Got her back to my place ..for a make out session. How did I pull it off. I think most of us know that you have to know logistics and it has to be combined with comfort. You have to be able to up sell too . For example during comfort say "Hey I can show you my family pictures " . I live right here. COme up for 5 mins." For me this works all the time but she has to be in comfort already and you have to be in your area.
day 12 of the 30 day challenges
I owe $10 dollars. It was Easter Sunday and I did go out socialize but did no approaches.
I did nothing. I think my energy was too low and felt burnt out. owe $10.
day 14 of the 30 day challenges
This is the first for me . I was going back home from work and saw a cute girl and did a subway approach on the train as it was going back home.
Quick re-cap..I did the kamikase direct opener on her ... she just ignored me .. My frame was .I just didn't care and sat next to her and started talking. Sometimes this does work and sometimes you come out like a creep. I think in a bar or club situation plowing does work on some occasion but for day game it depends and you have to re-calibrate. In my situation it did not work.
She just was not comfortable talking to strangers. In retrospect I should of BT spike more if anything I should of done that.
Good news is I didn't care what others thought on the train. Sure she rejected my advance and people within the train who cared to notice might of notice but I didn't give a fuck.
day 15 of the 30 day challenge
I think I'm starting to understand why Tommy Wu feels nervous sometimes with day game. This happened to me twice in my experience and for day 12 it was the second time.
I was at a book store and saw a cute girl from afar. I decided to open her. I went in direct because this is the direct challenge and when i got a closer look at her I did say she was cute but I kind of stop after that. She looked at me with the most innocent eyes and I had to ask her are you a high school student. She said yes. I was like cool have a nice day...
I mean she dressed like an adult woman and from a afar she looks likes someone who is early 20's but up close from a few feet she did have very young face . I would guess maybe 17 or so but I felt uncomfortable with really young girls since I am 32 years old.
Even if she did responded positive I wouldn't escalate.
I winged with Nightjob and we just went Kamkiaze style in K-town.
Quick re-cap...in total there was 3 total sets we approach. The first one was in the street and the other two were at two different bars.
First the street approach. I should of gone direct with "I think your cute etc..." Instead I just went in with high energy and just bullshitted with them. Nightjob came in to wing. Honestly I could of kept plowing but none of the girls were that attractive.
positive about this approach--going in with a good attitude and not being outcome dependent.
negative --need to have more structure and be smoother.
Second approach at a Korean bar/lounge---
Nightjob approach a 6 set of girls at a bar. I sat next to the far right of the group and started to chat with the two girls sitting next to me. The two girls I was speaking to were friendly enough. What work was staying good energy and leading the conversation.
Nightjob target left or she moved around and there were 3 other girls on the far left side and I decided to approach them and talk to them. Talk about bitch shield. I remember to stay in my frame but it did not work. One of the girls just had a bad attitude and left my side and went to the other end. Over all we both ejected.
Positive -- We kept plowing and we didn't care what others thought.
negative--In a group set in theory you want everyone to accept you but in reality that does not happen all the time. I think in retrospect as long as they kind of accept you keep talking to the girls that accept you and just be friendly enough to the girls that are cold to you just to show you are high value. The mistake I made was to keep plowing with the coldest girl in the bunch.
last set was at another bar/lounge.
Talk about first time. i went kamikaze style on a 3 seated set. I had high energy and plowed ..nightjob came in to wing but I guess it was one of those nights where going direct wasn't the way. In matter of fact one of the girls called for the waiter to get rid of us but by that time we ejected. Since I was in a competitive state if one of those waiter touched me at that time and moment I would of cracked heads. ...
positive ---again if anything this was a night of just going for it and not caring..
negative ---I think if we sat next to the set and did indirect approach it might of work. I say this with it might of ....
Things to work on. I need more finesse in my approach and sometimes (I would say many times) I forget to stay in the structure routine.
I can go direct and I believe I can do kamikaze and many times I don't care if I get rejected but in order to have more success you need a game plan. I have to review my structure routine stact and fine tune it to make it work.
Overall the night was not that bad.
Kevin Feng
Post subject: Re: 30 day direct challenge.
Posted: 20 Apr 2009, 14:06
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Joined: 24 Jun 2008, 13:24 Posts: 851 Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Something important to keep in mind during your 30 day challenge is to make sure you're making progress and getting results when you're going out. For example, are you getting dates, are you getting phone numbers, and you getting the F-close ultimately.
What I would suggest for you to do at this point is to go for phone numbers. It sounds like you're doing alright in terms of opening sets, if you find yourself fumbling just keep it simple and direct, just say "Hi, my name is ____, you are? Well I just had to say you that you are ridiculously cute and had to find out more about you, *banter for as long as you can*, well I'd love to take you out sometime, do you have a phone?"
It's not the most masterful pick up but it'll help out if you find yourself getting stuck, and it will help solidify your approach over time.
Kevin, What you say is 100% correct. I think I wasn't focusing on closing and more on just opening and not caring. What happens I care so little that I don't care too much of the outcome to the point that I don't even try to close. It's weird but you have to care a little to want to close properly.
day 18 of the 30 day challenge.
I had to travel to Arizona for work (I'm from the East Coast ) and was too busy to even approach so therefore I owe $10.00
day 19 of the 30 day challenge. because of my work I didn't even approach so I owe $10.00.
day 20 of the 30 day challenge
I didn't want to spend another $10.00 and so I went direct on hire hand. The thing was I was with my co-workers (I went on a business trip with my co-workers. I was sharing a room with one of them and throughout the business trip I was with my co-workers at a trade show. I didn't want to go direct on the wrong person because this is work and I had to become careful but with hire hand I didn't care.) so I went direct on a waitress. She was cute think mid-western blond early 20's.
Went no where because of two reason the bar was at the hotel we were staying at. I was with clients and my co-workers. So I couldn't really escalate and she did take my compliment but that is as far as we went.
day 21 of the 30
I opened another hired hand. It's weird but I usually don't open hired hands and it's a learning experience. I went direct on her ( She is latin mix ) . I could of plowed but the timing is off.
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